Thinning Tamiya paint for brush painting.

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I'm sure you guys are all aware of the problem with brushing Tamiya acrylic paint and I was wondering if anyone has found a solution. I have tried using Tamiya Laquer and X20 to thin the paint but I still cannot get any kind of decent finish using a brush. There is a Tamiya thinner that includes a retarder but it seems to be very hard to find in the UK.
I have had no problems at all with airbrushing Tamiya but occasionally I need to involve a bit of brushwork and this usually means trying to mix up some Vallejo paint to match.
 
I hand-brush Tamiya acrylics (X/XF) all the time, and I use Tamiya's acrylic thinner, X-20A. I originally used water, and isopropyl, but the paint would clump, or lift up previous coats. Some colors were worse than others, but none of them were satisfactory. Once I started using Tamiya's proprietary thinner, those problems went away. I can lay down colors in coats as thin as if they were sprayed.

I use two methods, really depending on how I feel. One is to use a little jar of the thinner as a working supply, pick up the color with the brush, whether from the underside of the lid, or direct from the jar, then dip it in the thinner, and apply it to the piece. It levels out as I apply it.

The other method is to use an impermeable palette, like a ceramic, plastic, or glass, and mix a little bit of the paint and a couple drops of the thinner, till it's consistently mixed. Then I apply it to the piece.

I don't use anything else, no retarders or anything else. But that's just my preference, because I haven't appeared to need such adjuncts.

I would not recommend using any lacquer thinner to thin for hand-brushing, because the thinner is so hot that it's liable to lift up any color coat you already laid down. However, there are Japanese painters who use lacquers to paint by hand, particularly in the Maschinen Krieger genre. They use the fact that the thinner dissolves, or reactivates, the color already on the model, to blend the colors. I just don't want or need that effect in what I paint.

That's all based on my experience, and it works for me. Your mileage may vary, as they say.
 
I find Tamiya very difficult to hand brush as it goes off so quickly. A boon for airbrushing not hand brushing.

On founding the correct colours with Vallejo look up the many colour matches . Vallejo Model have a very large number of colours & you will be unlucky not to find one at least near.

Laurie
 
Thanks for the input guys, tis probably just me not being used to acrylics or something but each time I have tried to brush Tamiya there has been an awful mess. I'll give it another try on something that doesn't really matter but to say I'm not at all confident of a decent outcome could be a bit of an understatement.
 
Thanks for the input guys, tis probably just me not being used to acrylics or something but each time I have tried to brush Tamiya there has been an awful mess. I'll give it another try on something that doesn't really matter but to say I'm not at all confident of a decent outcome could be a bit of an understatement.
I'm like you, not a fan of brush painting with Tamiya but they are very good for spraying.
Pantherman
 
Do you dilute them or use them straight out of the bottle?
You'll get your best, most consistent results, if you thin Tamiya acrylics. As I described above, you could either mix a little of the color and the X20 thinner, in the well of an impermeable palette, or, use a little jar of the thinner, dip your brush in the color, then in the thinner, and let it blend on the target.
While I was learning to use Tamiya paints with my airbrush, I read somewhere that they are formulated for airbrushing and are intended to be thinned. I don't know if that is true or not, but I do know that that inspired me to thin the paints for handbrushing-I already thinned them for airbrushing-and that's when I got the best results, consistently.
For me, neither water nor isopropyl worked to thin Tamiya acrylics for handbrushing. That's why I recommend using Tamiya's proprietary thinner for handbrushing.
 
I'm sure you guys are all aware of the problem with brushing Tamiya acrylic paint and I was wondering if anyone has found a solution. I have tried using Tamiya Laquer and X20 to thin the paint but I still cannot get any kind of decent finish using a brush. There is a Tamiya thinner that includes a retarder but it seems to be very hard to find in the UK.
I have had no problems at all with airbrushing Tamiya but occasionally I need to involve a bit of brushwork and this usually means trying to mix up some Vallejo paint to match.
I don't thin for small sections, i use airbrush for large sections cause nothing gives better resuls than airbrush for large areas.
 
I don't thin for small sections, i use airbrush for large sections cause nothing gives better results than airbrush for large areas.
Agree CY. Any way thinning for hand painting especially Tamiya. Drys to quickly with out thinning let alone making it worse by thinning.

Just painting 1/48 soldiers with Vallejo Air straight from the bottles. Nice smooth finish with depth.
Tamiya does not have that depth for hand painting.

Laurie
 
Tamiya makes a Paint Retrder product. No thinner, just retarder. I use this when I have to hand-paint Tamiya. Mr. Hobby Aqueous acrylic paints are far better for hand-painting. For some reason, my current bottle of Tamiya XF-1 Flat Black is horrendous for hand-brushing for some reason. In fact, I am not very fond of Tamiya's acrylic paints and do not use them much. Tamiya lacquer paints (their LP series) are nice as are their enamels. But Tamiya's color palette is rather limited when compared to Mr. Color/Mr. Hobby paints. Tamiya paints are only good for Tamiya model subjects, for the most part. I don't use them a whole lot.
 
Tamiya makes a Paint Retrder product. No thinner, just retarder. I use this when I have to hand-paint Tamiya. Mr. Hobby Aqueous acrylic paints are far better for hand-painting. For some reason, my current bottle of Tamiya XF-1 Flat Black is horrendous for hand-brushing for some reason. In fact, I am not very fond of Tamiya's acrylic paints and do not use them much. Tamiya lacquer paints (their LP series) are nice as are their enamels. But Tamiya's color palette is rather limited when compared to Mr. Color/Mr. Hobby paints. Tamiya paints are only good for Tamiya model subjects, for the most part. I don't use them a whole lot.
I just love Tamiya but only for airbrushing. Dries quickly & gives a superb finish.

Also their X range which is glossy is very good.

Not been stuck with color. Dead easy to make you own concoction. Plus there is somewhere a cheeky little thing which will tell you which colours to use for mixing to standard colours.

Lifecolour do the best range of colours. But it is not up to Tamiya in performance.

Laurie
 

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