Help with airbrush fan spray

[mjensen939]

Being new to airbrushing I guess I'm not sure how to go about making my fan spray wider I can only use 0.3 needle in my airbrush, I'm using an Iwata eclipse but I'm wondering if there is a fan tip that might allow for a bigger fuller spray.

 

[Jakko]

Not AFAIK. You can adjust the width of the spray somewhat by varying the air pressure and/or thickness of the paint, though.

If you want to spray whole models in one colour, you would likely be better off using a less sophisticated airbrush for that.

 

[mjensen939]

I was looking at a secondary airbrush and I have one I was looking at but I'm not sure if it would be what I need. Here's a link to it on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002KJK130/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_8?smid=A23ADOZFIJNPFB&psc=1

What are your thoughts on this or do you have any recommendations that would fit the bill?

 

[urumomo]

If you need wide coverage you need an AB that offers a fan air cap .
the larger .5 needle in that one above will spray a wider line than your .3 , on average , but not anywhere near what a dedicated fan air will .
I always recommend the Paasche Talon with the full suite of needles -- it gives you a fan air cap for use with the .66 needle and spray tip .

 

[mjensen939]

If you need wide coverage you need an AB that offers a fan air cap .
the larger .5 needle in that one above will spray a wider line than your .3 , on average , but not anywhere near what a dedicated fan air will .
I always recommend the Paasche Talon with the full suite of needles -- it gives you a fan air cap for use with the .66 needle and spray tip .

Here's my newness showing through. What is a fan air cap?

 

[urumomo]

It's the air cap that creates a fan spray , lulz .

It has different geometry from a normal air cap to create a very wide spray pattern -- they will always use a larger needle and spray tip ,
looks like this ( for Iwata ) :

 

[urumomo]

 

[Rockin' Rob]

Urumomo told me about the Paasche Talon. I like that it came with three needles and the fan air cap. It works great. I had to clear coat my project last night so I put on the number 3 needle without the fan cap and it worked great. For bigger projects like say a B-29 wing or body that fan cap would be perfect. I haven't tried it yet but that B-29 is sitting up on the Shelf waiting to be built. I do a lot of 132nd scale airplanes and that air cap is going to come in real Handy.

 

[Rockin' Rob]

Word of caution. It likes operating at above 20 psi. With that fan air cap? It'll blow air like a sumbitch. You will need a good compressor that will keep up not these little cheapies that are out there

 

[Jakko]

For spraying large areas, you can also buy a simple modeller's spray gun, something like a Badger 250:

Similar ones are also sold by other manufacturers.

 

[Rockin' Rob]

Or you can just buy the 5 needle for that airbrush and if that doesn't work then you can get another airbrush

 

[mjensen939]

For Christmas my wife went ahead and got me the Paasche talon 3AS with the fan cap accessory so I'm really hoping that this solves most of my coverage problems. I believe it will and I want to thank everybody for their recommendations.

 

[urumomo]

 

[urumomo]

I discovered recently that Paasche has a 1mm needle and tip for that Talon --- if you need even more paint flow

 

[mjensen939]

I discovered recently that Paasche has a 1mm needle and tip for that Talon --- if you need even more paint flow

That's great to know because I'm really concerned about covering the 1:12 scale '69 Camaro Z/28 without noticeable banding

 

[urumomo]

I use the fan air on that .66 mainly for other art pieces -- I rarely use it for scale stuff other than ground work on bases .
It covers a lot .
If you get noticeable banding , see a doctor .

 

[mjensen939]

I use the fan air on that .66 mainly for other art pieces -- I rarely use it for scale stuff other than ground work on bases .
It covers a lot .
If you get noticeable banding , see a doctor .

I discovered recently that Paasche has a 1mm needle and tip for that Talon --- if you need even more paint flow

Regarding that 1 mm tip; adding more paint flow will not change the overall spray pattern will it. I mean they say that it should run about a 3-in pattern but I don't know if that will change by adding volume or just cover it more in one swipe. I'm thinking it will just cover with more ink but not a wider spray does that sound correct? Also Rob commented that it takes quite a bit of air pressure, possibly over 20 psi. The compressor I have is from spray gunner and the regulator goes up to 80 I've had it set at a solid 40 before to see what it would run while spraying and it barely dropped a pound so I'm thinking high PSI will be fine.

 

[urumomo]

you should be fine with the .66 and fan air cap .
sounds like that compressor will handle it

the spray pattern is set by the air cap .
The 1mm has it's own , matched fan air cap to allow the for the higher flow rate of the 50% larger tip : https://paascheairbrush.com/products/taf-4

https://paascheairbrush.com/products/t-227-4

 

[mjensen939]

you should be fine with the .66 and fan air cap .
sounds like that compressor will handle it

the spray pattern is set by the air cap .
The 1mm has it's own , matched fan air cap to allow the for the higher flow rate of the 50% larger tip : https://paascheairbrush.com/products/taf-4

https://paascheairbrush.com/products/t-227-4

https://paascheairbrush.com/products/t-227-4

I found this on Midwest Airbrush for $18.50

 

[urumomo]

haha yeah -- the Paasche Talon sets are way cheaper on Amazon , I think Paasche wants over 200 .
kinda that way with all manufacturer's sites .

I'd use Paasche's site to research what is available and then see if you can get it elsewhere for cheaper .
Their website sucks for searchability . I had to scroll thru every part page until I found that stuff .
searching " fan air cap " , " 1 mm needle " gives you zilch

 

[mjensen939]

haha yeah -- the Paasche Talon sets are way cheaper on Amazon , I think Paasche wants over 200 .
kinda that way with all manufacturer's sites .

I'd use Paasche's site to research what is available and then see if you can get it elsewhere for cheaper .
Their website sucks for searchability . I had to scroll thru every part page until I found that stuff .
searching " fan air cap " , " 1 mm needle " gives you zilch

I found my Talon on of all places, Webstaurant,com for their regular selling price of $99.99 and free shipping! I'm all for saving $40

 

[urumomo]

Very cool -- never heard of that site .
Waaay back when , those Talon sets were running as low as 80-85 bucks on Amazon , normally 95-98 bucks , and I think Paasche had them at 165 or something
they were running $120-125 for months until recently
now it's 140 like you say , https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DJ1XTS99?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_3

 

[mjensen939]

Webstaurant.com is my wife's biggest competitor to her company rapids wholesale equipment. Like my wife they sell restaurant stuff and I'm assuming that they sell these for airbrushing cakes