Boatmans 1/200 scale USS HORNET CV8 BUILD AN LIGHTS for the Doolittle raid on japan

[BOATMAN]

AN now i know all the bad points an easyier ways to build them im now goin into mass production as another 15 planes to build will i still be sane by then oh dear
chrisb

 

[Pantherman]

A few more photos.

 

[BarleyBop]

...very dramatic!

 

[BOATMAN]

HI ALL well P/M visited me an jen yesterday an took some nice pics of my hornet with his brilliant phone camera an they show excellent cheers sir what a nice gent he is made my day an jens havin a good chat togeather about models
chris an jen

 

[Ron2]

HI GUYS well ive finshed the 1st of 16 B25 an this was a better build than them small planes but still very fragile an made a few mistakes on it as i treid to do a little wheathering on it with some lighter green on the darker green but oh what a miustake that was as the paint crazed but ill live with it as from a a small distsane its hardly noticseably but the decals are very good but got the shakes so ive given up for today anyway some pics on the carrier of the 1st exspeirmental B25 BUT I MUST DO BETTER View attachment 189267

I've read you have to keep the weathering on the smaller scale to a minimum because of the scale.

 

[Ron2]

A few more photos.

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Very cool looking!

 

[BOATMAN]

HI KEVIN AN P/M sorry to say that wax pencil wont work on this bloomin ole glass plastic that them planes are made from as the glass plastic is shiny an the pencil wont hold the part so it looks like im back to my idea of usein a bit of maskin tape to hold an position an glue the part mainly the anntena on the top of the B25 BUT THANK YOU BOTH for telling me about them cheers both an i may send a email to I LOVE KIT saying that them makein the planes kits in this glass was a big mistake as they just dont glue easy an are to brittle on the undercarts an they would be better i think made in normal grey platic like the main ship kit
ATB guys
chrisb

 

[Sailor]

HI KEVIN AN P/M sorry to say that wax pencil wont work on this bloomin ole glass plastic that them planes are made from as the glass plastic is shiny an the pencil wont hold the part so it looks like im back to my idea of usein a bit of maskin tape to hold an position an glue the part mainly the anntena on the top of the B25 BUT THANK YOU BOTH for telling me about them cheers both an i may send a email to I LOVE KIT saying that them makein the planes kits in this glass was a big mistake as they just dont glue easy an are to brittle on the undercarts an they would be better i think made in normal grey platic like the main ship kit
ATB guys
chrisb

I 'm sorry and surprised the wax will not hold the clear plastic in your kit I am really appreciating that all 82 of my 1: 350 planes are made out normal plastic. The parts count comes down to bombers 452, air wing 814 for a total 1276 plus parts and decales. If I had to go through what Boatman went through with Clear plastic, I would be doing something else! Anyway, have you tried Tacky tape, it is like putty, it use in grafts. It is an old Stan by. Wax pencil will provide more control. Have fun!

 

[BOATMAN]

I 'm sorry and surprised the wax will not hold the clear plastic in your kit I am really appreciating that all 82 of my 1: 350 planes are made out normal plastic. The parts count comes down to bombers 452, air wing 814 for a total 1276 plus parts and decales. If I had to go through what Boatman went through with Clear plastic, I would be doing something else! Anyway, have you tried Tacky tape, it is like putty, it use in grafts. It is an old Stan by. Wax pencil will provide more control. Have fun!

HI Sailor yes so was i about this wax pencil but its this ole glass plastic thats at fault in my opinion an are your planes in kits that need to be built or a complete moulded plane ? an no i havnt treid them
chrisb

 

[BarleyBop]

bit of maskin tape

I ended up using yellow model masking tape (blue painters tape might also work) folded and held by a tweezer tool, to place my clear styrene windshield on my VW pick up truck.
I found that the tape left no residue, was just tacky enough, and I could shape the contact area. Having it secured in the jaws of the tweezer tool eliminated another point of failure (not stuck on my fingers, positive hold when pulling the tape away).
Here it is holding the kit plastic which is thicker and heavier than the stuff I used...

 

[Pantherman]

I ended up using yellow model masking tape (blue painters tape might also work) folded and held by a tweezer tool, to place my clear styrene windshield on my VW pick up truck.
I found that the tape left no residue, was just tacky enough, and I could shape the contact area. Having it secured in the jaws of the tweezer tool eliminated another point of failure (not stuck on my fingers, positive hold when pulling the tape away).
Here it is holding the kit plastic which is thicker and heavier than the stuff I used...

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I like it. Great idea. Pantherman

 

[BOATMAN]

HI B/B well you have got a lot more to stick to on your part as remember mine is only near a size of a pin head so your part will stick better but similar to my idea but cheers all the same
atb sir
chrisb

 

[Rockin' Rob]

Yes, the plates are way over scale and in my opinion, makes the hull look like a tank instead of a ship. Many of the build logs on line I watched show the modelers sanding them down, which take a lot of time ,and then replacing them with accurate plates made from very thin styrene, card stock, or they scribe them. Your 1/200 scale kit is nice and smooth, it looks like a blank canvas, which many of us like to have since we add so much of our own aftermarket and scratch built piping and other hull details, including scale plating and try to simulate "oil canning" effect.

Please excuse my ignorance. What is this "oil canning " effect. Sounds like something I should know if I ever build a ship

 

[Edbert]

Keep 'em coming @BOATMAN , your work never ceases to amaze me!

 

[Edbert]

Please excuse my ignorance. What is this "oil canning " effect. Sounds like something I should know if I ever build a ship

100% layman terms...

It is a term applied to sheet metal that warps due to heat/cold or other stresses when pinned on the edges, this causes it to swell outward or shrink inwards.

I cannot speak about ships, but aircraft show this when exterior panels are riveted to (relatively) closely spaces spars or supports. You will see this on WWII USN aircraft like the Hellcat, or in the example (below) of Border Models new He-111, it is very noticeable.

 

[Edbert]

I found that the tape left no residue, was just tacky enough,

I've been a fan of 'wax pencils" for this, but you make an excellent point! The wax pencil seems to either be too weak to hold the part, or, if strong enough for that it leaves a mark or residue. The tape idea seems a perfect solution to both.

 

[BarleyBop]

strong enough

In my experience, both definitely have their uses... A sharply folded piece of tape can hold things like that windshield along an axis, thereby applying pressure more evenly...
I found single point devices like wax pencil or tacky stick not as stable. The pencils are great for very small parts and the tacky sticks for placement requiring little pressure; the gooey tip kinda gets smushed and won't release if pressure has been applied.
And if course the old standby, a bit of 'silicone' saliva on the tip of a knife holds pretty good, only the glue needs to be placed on the destination spot.

 

[Rockin' Rob]

100% layman terms...

It is a term applied to sheet metal that warps due to heat/cold or other stresses when pinned on the edges, this causes it to swell outward or shrink inwards.

I cannot speak about ships, but aircraft show this when exterior panels are riveted to (relatively) closely spaces spars or supports. You will see this on WWII USN aircraft like the Hellcat, or in the example (below) of Border Models new He-111, it is very noticeable.

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Okay! I get it now looking at that wing. It looks like oil cans when I grew up and you had to push the spout into it. Oil can effect.. thanks

 

[Edbert]

Okay! I get it now looking at that wing. It looks like oil cans when I grew up and you had to push the spout into it. Oil can effect.. thanks

If you are a real masochist (no offense to the author intended) you can do this yourself!

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/stressedskineffectkh_1.htm

 

[BOATMAN]

Keep 'em coming @BOATMAN , your work never ceases to amaze me!

HI Edbert yes im goin to stick at them planes till they are all built an finished off an the ship so no worries on that an glad you like my work sir as even if the model is a bugger to build i do like looking at the finished artickle in the end an i think it didnt beat me lol as i have never given up on a model maybe im just stubbon lol
chrisb

 

[BOATMAN]

I've been a fan of 'wax pencils" for this, but you make an excellent point! The wax pencil seems to either be too weak to hold the part, or, if strong enough for that it leaves a mark or residue. The tape idea seems a perfect solution to both.

In my experience, both definitely have their uses... A sharply folded piece of tape can hold things like that windshield along an axis, thereby applying pressure more evenly...
I found single point devices like wax pencil or tacky stick not as stable. The pencils are great for very small parts and the tacky sticks for placement requiring little pressure; the gooey tip kinda gets smushed and won't release if pressure has been applied.
And if course the old standby, a bit of 'silicone' saliva on the tip of a knife holds pretty good, only the glue needs to be placed on the destination spot.

HI B/B an Edbert what i think you both dont understand regards the wax pencills is that the tiny part regards that anttena on the plane is rounded so no flat surace for the wax pencill to stick to an its shiney glass so my idea with a bit of masking tape is best for me an it works as the tape can fold around the round surface of the anttena so it can be placed an glued in postition on the planes fusealarge as ive lost a couple till i treid this idea so hopefully i wont lose anymore as when one did ping out of the twezzers as ive got good eyesight an dont need glasses an same with jen it took a whole hr searchin for the little blighter till jen found it an as its glass its even more harded to spot in the carpet monster so some wont be on the planes as no spares
chrisb an jen

 

[BarleyBop]

fold around

Ah, got it!

 

[BOATMAN]

WELL GUYS this mass producktion of these B25's is seems to be takeing forever as not even half way yet on them an im near a nervous wreck lol

 

[kevin]

It's not a race,
looking good.

 

[BarleyBop]

mass producktion

They are coming along nicely. Regular factory output you got going!

Reminds me of a summer many moons ago, me and my best bud set out to build as many planes as we could...
Only we didn't have enough allowance saved to buy kits, so it was dozens and dozens of paper airplanes, different shapes and sizes, folded and coloured with pencils and crayons, lined up in the front yard and enthusiastically thrown into the wind, to have them climb and be carried back on the breeze, a contest to see which would fly furthest, measured over suburban yards and driveways!

 

[Ron2]

WELL GUYS this mass producktion of these B25's is seems to be takeing forever as not even half way yet on them an im near a nervous wreck lolView attachment 189870

They look good! Don't be nervous, enjoy the process!

 

[BOATMAN]

They look good! Don't be nervous, enjoy the process!

HI Ron thanks for sayin the planes look good thats boosted my confidence no end but cant help bein nervous as ive been like that my whole life but ok when im not modeling i think its just lack of confidence in my self so the nerves hit an i cant enjoy the builds as im forceing myself to build these planes an i will build them though but i wont do another plastic ship as cant wait to get back to the big 1/32 planes where the parts are a lot bigger an easyier to handle an thanks for your reply Ron ATB SIR
chrisb

 

[Ron2]

HI Ron thanks for sayin the planes look good thats boosted my confidence no end but cant help bein nervous as ive been like that my whole life but ok when im not modeling i think its just lack of confidence in my self so the nerves hit an i cant enjoy the builds as im forceing myself to build these planes an i will build them though but i wont do another plastic ship as cant wait to get back to the big 1/32 planes where the parts are a lot bigger an easyier to handle an thanks for your reply Ron ATB SIR
chrisb

I like the 1/32 planes too!

 

[BOATMAN]

HI GUYS well im at the half way point on these planes as built 8 of the
16X B25 so now got to build the other half of them but a dissapointment today fitting on the plane serial no.s an some have splintered in the water but this kit has been hard work anyway an not enjoyable anyway some pics of the first 8 planes on the flight deck its amazeing to me how the heck they managed to sqezzse on 16 x B25 an 3 fighter on the flight deck an here in batches of 3X B25

 

[BOATMAN]