Space 1999: Hawk 1/72

[jwt708]

With my last project waiting on decals, I resumed my Hawk kit. I started this one, assembled the biggest pieces and will paint them separately. Not a lot of pictures right now but here's one of the hull.

I have never seen the show, I know nothing about it, only seen other builds of it. I think the ships look fantastic and I want to build more of them.

 

[Eagle-1]

Good ol' HAWK! Watch the show. The HAWK will be in an episode titled "War Games".



Many episodes didn't hold up well over the years, but the hardware is still the best. Now, you want to watch a show that has held up, do yourself a favor and spend some quality time with UFO.



Rob.

 

[jwt708]

I'll check it out, but I knew enough that this one was some kind of warship so I had to do it. I did just pull the trigger on the Eagle 4 for a future project.

 

[Eagle-1]

I'll check it out, but I knew enough that this one was some kind of warship so I had to do it. I did just pull the trigger on the Eagle 4 for a future project.

They're war machines. That's enough for me.

In the episode, it IS suppose to be a warship. In fact, one of our own.

The HAWK and the Eagle came from the same factory on Earth.

Rob.

 

[jwt708]

Well that bit of detail has made me more interested.

I have the Eagle 4 coming, what can you tell me about that ship?

And all of these Eagle ships I've seen I've loved.

 

[Eagle-1]

The Eagle was the workhorse. Lifting, pulling, carrying, hauling, exploding, fighting, crashing, rolling over...

There were very versatile.

Rob.

 

[SuperheroSanctum]

Here's the perfect backdrop for that awesome kit...the original LP Record!!

 

[Eagle-1]

I'll check it out, but I knew enough that this one was some kind of warship so I had to do it. I did just pull the trigger on the Eagle 4 for a future project.

I took that you were asking about the Eagle craft as it related to in the series hardware? If you were asking about the kit you bought called "Eagle 4", that kit is a version known among Space:1999 modelers as the "Metamorph" Eagle which showed up most prominently in a couple of the second year episodes. It was actually around in the first year and can be seen in the closing titles of year one.

An Eagle in the series was modular, meaning several sections of the craft were interchangeable. The only difference in that MPC/Round 2 "Eagle 4" kit and any of the other of the 14" Eagle kits from MPC is the center module section for passengers, as is this case.

In this example, the only difference in the Eagle at all is this "Cargo Pallet" section.

All those Eagles are the same except for the "modules" they're using at the time. The numbers displayed inside the Eagles (on the doors and in communications) were changed as needed on the sets. For most of the first year, there was only 1 44" studio Eagle made.

Rob.

 

[jwt708]

Thanks for the info @Eagle-1 !

 

[Eagle-1]

You're very welcome.

What I forgot was, this is a HAWK thread.

Rob.

 

[Edbert]

I loved that show as a kid, have been wanting to add one to the stash. Do not have a strong opinion on Hawk v Eagle, but do care about kit quality.

Which is the best kit to buy? Fit, finish, detail are primary, accuracy secondary.

 

[Eagle-1]

Which is the best kit to buy? Fit, finish, detail are primary, accuracy secondary.

Me?

Here's a couple more jwt.

Rob.

 

[Edbert]

Me?

Anyone who has an opinion!

Based on your username, you are likely the expert.

If someone wanted a single kit in the collection to represent them all, what should I buy?

 

[Eagle-1]

Anyone who has an opinion!

Based on your username, you are likely the expert.

If someone wanted a single kit in the collection to represent them all, what should I buy?

Don't get hung up on the name, I thought it was a buzzard.

There have been MANY Eagle kits over the years. An MPC/Round 2 is the winner lately.

The MPC/Round 2 22" is closest to the first Eagle "seen on screen" (detailed as the 44" studio model was) and most accurate to an on-screen Eagle size. The actual 22" eagle seen on screen was detailed totally different. An MPC 22" is modeled after the first 44" studio scale Eagle except that there are quite a few differences in the studio model and the MPC kits, more than likely due to molding costs.

The 14" kit and the 22" kit is the exact same kit, in a smaller size. There never was, however, a 14" studio model.

There were 4 studio scale Eagles. 44", 22", 11" and 5.5".

Rob.

 

[Eagle-1]

As far as the MPC/Round2 HAWK kits go, neither the larger MPC kit at almost 15"'s or the small MPC one jwt has chosen at around 10"'s match the size of any of the studio scale HAWKS. The details are fair to the large studio scale HAWK (of about 32"'s for the large studio HAWK) but, again like the 22" compared to the 44" studio Eagle, the details are completely wrong. As with the MPC Eagle kits, the HAWK kits are identical except for the size.

I'll do some diggin' and see if I can have a direct comparison of the size between a studio scale HAWK and both of these MPC kits if interested?

Rob.

 

[Edbert]

I'll do some diggin'

Only if you want to, you've been an immense help and answered my questions!

Looks like I can get the transporter, the lab, the cargo, or the metamorph all in 22" or 1/48. The latter one is cool but getting a bit pricy, I'm liking the transporter so it can have more color, plus that is the one that had the tentacle monster in it I think, it was a long time ago.

 

[blakeh1]

For what it is worth

Eagle-1 definitely is a definitive source for info about the studio models and I'd love to love to see those comparisons of the studio models to the kits

As far as just the model kits, here is a comparison of the old MPC kit vs the newer retooled kit

At one point when MPC re-released the kit, they labelled their kit as 1/72 despite it being more like 1/100. Round2/MPC eventually did a scaled down version of the 1/48 Eagle as an all new tooled 1/72 kit that was much better shaped and sized that for all intents and purposes makes the older MPC kit obsolete
So on the left is the new 14" 1/72 scale
And on the right is the old 11"? This one is heavily modified as the cage in the original tooling was not open and any detail in the cages is scratch built. In fact most people who tried to accurize or upgrade this eventually wound up replacing just about every part of it

As far as the relative size of the Hawk to the Eagle here is the 1/72 Hawk with the 1/72 Eagle
I believe the 1/48 Hawk is like the Eagle, just an upscaled version of the 1/72

 

[blakeh1]

Also regarding the orange color, Tamiya X-6 straight from the bottle seemed to be a perfect match for what I wanted. It is a gloss as well so it takes decals nicely

 

[Eagle-1]

Only if you want to, you've been an immense help and answered my questions!

Of course I don't want to. I'll do it for the love of Captain Scarlet..., or whatever this thing is from. You're welcome.

Looks like I can get the transporter, the lab, the cargo, or the metamorph all in 22" or 1/48. The latter one is cool but getting a bit pricy, I'm liking the transporter so it can have more color, plus that is the one that had the tentacle monster in it I think, it was a long time ago.

Dragon's Domain.

The monster was in the bottom blue one and only went into the Ultra Probe after that docking for lunch. He RSVP'ed.

For what it is worth

Eagle-1 definitely is a definitive source for info about the studio models and I'd love to love to see those comparisons of the studio models to the kits

As far as just the model kits, here is a comparison of the old MPC kit vs the newer retooled kit

At one point when MPC re-released the kit, they labelled their kit as 1/72 despite it being more like 1/100. Round2/MPC eventually did a scaled down version of the 1/48 Eagle as an all new tooled 1/72 kit that was much better shaped and sized that for all intents and purposes makes the older MPC kit obsolete
So on the left is the new 14" 1/72 scale
And on the right is the old 11"? This one is heavily modified as the cage in the original tooling was not open and any detail in the cages is scratch built. In fact most people who tried to accurize or upgrade this eventually wound up replacing just about every part of it
As far as the relative size of the Hawk to the Eagle here is the 1/72 Hawk with the 1/72 Eagle
I believe the 1/48 Hawk is like the Eagle, just an upscaled version of the 1/72

Hmm? I don't know about all that. I didn't figure out my avatar wasn't a buzzard until somebody mentioned it.

Agreed on the old Fundimensions (MPC) (and AIRFIX over in the YouKay). For a long time, that's all there was. When that was all there was, you had work cut out for you. Alotta cuttin' too.

One thing to remember concerning comparisons to any of the studio scale models across the board. They didn't go by 1/24, 1/72 or the like in most cases. The large Eagle was 44" and the next ones were half of the larger size, if that makes sense? The 44" Eagle is considered (much later by fans) to be 1/24 only because it had two pilots from the 1/24 Revell Gemini in the cockpit with disabilities. Their legs were chopped off. The Hawks, of course, were the same way.

Also regarding the orange color, Tamiya X-6 straight from the bottle seemed to be a perfect match for what I wanted. It is a gloss as well so it takes decals nicely

Ok blakeh1... keep this to yourself...

Liquitex orange hand brush painted on at Bray Studios. They were delivered to the studio as they were on that maroon rug in the picture I posted earlier. That picture is from Martin Bowers workshop. It was believed they would be confused for Eagles by Brian Johnson, so the orange was hand painted. Not many colored TV's back then.

Shhhh!

Rob.

 

[jwt708]

What a wonderful discussion! Has left me woth a question - ignoring the scales of the models - and the ships similar sized in the show or is the Eagle larger?

 

[Edbert]

Ok blakeh1... keep this to yourself...

LMAO...as it is posted to the intardnet...FOREVER!

 

[Edbert]

Dragon's Domain.

When lasers/phasers/space-aged weapons fail...GRAB THE HATCHET!

 

[blakeh1]

I could be wrong, but I think of the hawk as smaller attack chopper like the Apache, where the Eagle is more like an one of those big hulking CH-53 Sea Dragons

Also not sure if the Hawk was a single seater or not

I think the best thing about the vehicle designs was that they looked like something NASA would actually be using or developing. They were explicitly designed with actual physics that reflect real world space travel as we know it regarding all the directional thrusters and stuff.

i.e they looked like they would actually work as real space craft. Not the idealized atmospheric planes in space route that defined Star Wars and most sci-fi to come along since

 

[blakeh1]

Double post

 

[Eagle-1]

What a wonderful discussion! Has left me woth a question - ignoring the scales of the models - and the ships similar sized in the show or is the Eagle larger?

As far a supposedly from the series, yes, the HAWK was smaller. Studio scale models brought back in here again, the large studio HAWK was 32"'s as compared to the Eagle at 44"'s. The small studio HAWK was 17-ish "s.

I could be wrong,

How? We're in the Sci-Fi section of a modeling forum? Wrong isn't possible. The only wrong that could be going on here is that, blakeh1, you met me as a Moebius kit mauler so my answers here are all from the hip.

Also not sure if the Hawk was a single seater or not

No one knows that answer. It has two windows, but there were never any pilots installed by Martin Bower and never seen through the windows on screen, so as far as anyone could say, they were drones.

My next post should give y'all some indication as to the sizes of some of this, kit to what it's suppose to be..

Rob.

 

[jwt708]

This is largely what attracts me to them.

 

[Eagle-1]

Alright y'all, this oughta show a little sumpthin'?

Here's both MPC kits, a studio scale HAWK Command Module AND a studio scale 44" Eagle Command Module.

A little difference in the sizes.

Rob.

 

[Edbert]

I ordered the MPC 1/48 "Transporter" edition today, Should arrive in bout a week, but dunno when I'll start on it.

 

[Eagle-1]

No. You didn't.

"It's a wand massager, it says so right on the box."

Be sure to post some pictures along the way and we'll fix up some of the details if you wanna go a little deep.

Rob.

 

[Edbert]

"It's a wand massager, it says so right on the box."

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