Revell p-40b tiger shark

[Ron2]

Started this last week. Used preshading. Almost done. Just wanted a simple oob build.

 

[BarleyBop]

Nice...

 

[BarleyBop]

I'm amazed how you can have several builds going, and reset your brain for each one!

 

[user 22148]

Ooh that's nice - it that the old Monogram kit?

I do like a nice P-40.

 

[Ron2]

I'm amazed how you can have several builds going, and reset your brain for each one!

Honestly I work better this way. The more chaotic a situation the more focused I get. It's bizarre. I am seriously going to try to limit what I have going when I get caught up and am working on my 1/24 p51. You inspired me with your ship lights and I am going to attempt adding lights to the P51. I'm in process of determining what I need to order for the stand and lights. I may PM you!

 

[Ron2]

Ooh that's nice - it that the old Monogram kit?

I do like a nice P-40.

It's a Revell. Not sure if that's a Redbox. They are fun builds but the sharks mouth can be a pain!

 

[user 22148]

Honestly I work better this way. The more chaotic a situation the more focused I get. It's bizarre.

Yeah that!

 

[BarleyBop]

your ship lights and I am going to attempt adding lights to the P51

...inspiring it was, only it was @Pantherman ! A veritable fibreoptic coup de grace.

 

[Ron2]

...inspiring it was, only it was @Pantherman ! A veritable fibreoptic coup de grace.

Haha. Ok I was thinking it was either you or him and I guessed wrong!

 

[Ron2]

Started this last week. Used preshading. Almost done. Just wanted a simple oob build.

Well this is going ALOT better than my phantom! Hit it with decals yesterday and a satin finish this morning. I'll do a bit more weathering and then do some spot varnishing with flat coat. I'm liking this method for showing weathering lately. I may add a bit of dust, my understanding is this outfit had more fade and dust and not chipping. The pics I've pulled up show this to be true. If anyone has seen otherwise please share. Darn shark mouth got me! It was a struggle getting the mouth lined up, especially with lack of a satin coat and while applying the micro sol I noticed the top teeth don't quite line up. I don't see a way to fix that without endangering the rest of it so "a man on a fast horse will never notice."

 

[user 22148]

Nice! That flying Tigers scheme really suits the P-40.

 

[BarleyBop]

Those roundels are something else!

 

[Jakko]

Those roundels

Chinese, from when the Kuomintang ruled the whole country (minus the bits the CPC controlled, of course). It's still used today as the Taiwanese national marking, due to Taiwan being a (more or less) separate country only because the Kuomintang withdrew there after losing the Chinese civil war.

I have a book titled The End is Not Yet — China at War by one Herrymon Maurer (London: William Heinemann, 1942), which is a slightly fictionalised account of the war in China at that time. Though I don't think it mentions the American volunteers of the Flying Tigers (it's been years since I read it), it does go into some detail about the civil war that went on at the same time as the fight against the Japanese.

 

[Ron2]

Those roundels are something else!

To be honest it's why I chose this version. They are pretty cool.

 

[Ron2]

Chinese, from when the Kuomintang ruled the whole country (minus the bits the CPC controlled, of course). It's still used today as the Taiwanese national marking, due to Taiwan being a (more or less) separate country only because the Kuomintang withdrew there after losing the Chinese civil war.

I have a book titled The End is Not Yet — China at War by one Herrymon Maurer (London: William Heinemann, 1942), which is a slightly fictionalised account of the war in China at that time. Though I don't think it mentions the American volunteers of the Flying Tigers (it's been years since I read it), it does go into some detail about the civil war that went on at the same time as the fight against the Japanese.

I didn't realize they were in a civil war at the same time. It's funny how enemies can become allies and allies enemies.

 

[Jakko]

It's complicated, and I don't think I understand all the nuances (I suspect @Alphonse will be able to enlighten us), but basically the 1910s and 20s was the Warlord Era of near-anarchy, with local rulers grabbing as much power as they could. The Kuomintang, led by Chiang Kai-shek, came out of this as the strongest force and was able to assert its control over most of the country, but at the same time, the Communist Party of China, with Mao Zedong at its head, was also making major headway.

Some years after Japan engineered the Mukden Incident in 1931, which led to them establishing the puppet state of Manchukuo with former Qing Emperor Puyi as its figurehead, the KMT and CPC over time agreed to put aside their differences in order to fight the Japanese — which happened just in time before the Japanese started the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937. This was eventually subsumed into the Second World War, and over the course of that, relations between KMT and CPC deteriorated. The KMT was supported by the Western Allies (hence the Flying Tigers in the early 1940s, the Burma Road, etc.) while the CPC got support from the Soviet Union. Before 1945, the two sides were fighting each other as much as they did the Japanese, and after Japan surrendered, both turned their full attention to defeating the other.

In late 1949, the KMT was so far on the back foot that it withdrew to Taiwan (which had been Japanese from 1895 to 1945) to regroup, and remained in control there until 2016, when it was defeated in presidential elections for the first time. (Of course, before 1987 there was no contest to the KMT's rule because Taiwan was essentially a dictatorship until then.)

 

[the Baron]

Ooh that's nice - it that the old Monogram kit?

I do like a nice P-40.

Yes, it is Monogram's kit, not Revell's, despite the label.

Investment company Odyssey Partners owned both companies by 1986, and decided to merge them. Revell was always close to bankruptcy, so it made sense to combine the companies. Since Revell had a wider distribution, overseas as well as in the US, they got top billing. But their facilities were closed and operations combined at Monogram in Illinois. The catalogs were essentially merged at that point, and going forward, the brands were swapped and combined, confusing modelers for the next 40 years. Add to that, that they reissued other makers' kits under agreements, and the Revell kits that were sold by overseas offices, and even with a scorecard, it's very difficult to tell the players.

Revell never developed a P-40B in any scale, but they did scale down their P-40E from 1/32 to 1/48. That was the basis for the ProModeler P-40E-with the inclusion of 2 modified Monogram figures.

That P-40B is still a nice kit and holds up well, despite what some at HyperScale might say. Even with Airfix' newer P-40B, which is a nice kit in its own right, I enjoy building the old Monogram kit. If there is any drawback, it's fighting the urge to finish it as anything but a Flying Tiger. But that livery is just so cool!

A PS: if you're interested in the histories of Monogram and Revell, I recommend Thomas Graham's books, "Monogram Model Kits" and "Remembering Revell Model Kits." He covers the origins of both companies and takes them up to the merger, and includes catalog lists. He wrote one on Aurora, too. And YouTuber maxsmodels produced videos about each company, as well as many others (he's been cited here in the forum, I think).

Scalemates is good, too, but it's only as good as any given member who posted something. I find it a supplement, not a primary source.

You might not be interested, but if you're like me, it's fun to know things like this.

 

[the Baron]

It's complicated, and I don't think I understand all the nuances (I suspect @Alphonse will be able to enlighten us), but basically the 1910s and 20s was the Warlord Era of near-anarchy, with local rulers grabbing as much power as they could. The Kuomintang, led by Chiang Kai-shek, came out of this as the strongest force and was able to assert its control over most of the country, but at the same time, the Communist Party of China, with Mao Zedong at its head, was also making major headway.

Some years after Japan engineered the Mukden Incident in 1931, which led to them establishing the puppet state of Manchukuo with former Qing Emperor Puyi as its figurehead, the KMT and CPC over time agreed to put aside their differences in order to fight the Japanese — which happened just in time before the Japanese started the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937. This was eventually subsumed into the Second World War, and over the course of that, relations between KMT and CPC deteriorated. The KMT was supported by the Western Allies (hence the Flying Tigers in the early 1940s, the Burma Road, etc.) while the CPC got support from the Soviet Union. Before 1945, the two sides were fighting each other as much as they did the Japanese, and after Japan surrendered, both turned their full attention to defeating the other.

In late 1949, the KMT was so far on the back foot that it withdrew to Taiwan (which had been Japanese from 1895 to 1945) to regroup, and remained in control there until 2016, when it was defeated in presidential elections for the first time. (Of course, before 1987 there was no contest to the KMT's rule because Taiwan was essentially a dictatorship until then.)

Yeah, many in the West have little or no idea. "Forgotten Ally: China's World War II, 1937-1945" is a good book on the subject, just the right amount of depth for folks who aren't very familiar.

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/forgotten-ally-rana-mitter/1114125489

Tuck that into its place in modern Chinese history, from the last two decades of the 19th century up to the Thirties, and it's easier to understand why China is today where it is. Interesting to read about Taiwan, and how the Empire considered it a backwater and was happy to cede it to Japan in 1895 after the first Sino-Japanese War; and then in 1949, it assumed new importance when the Communists took over the mainland and wanted it back. The things that make studying history so interesting...

 

[BarleyBop]

It's complicated

...nice summary of a tragedy on a truly epic scale.

 

[user 22148]

Yes, it is Monogram's kit, not Revell's, despite the label.

Investment company Odyssey Partners owned both companies by 1986, and decided to merge them. Revell was always close to bankruptcy, so it made sense to combine the companies. Since Revell had a wider distribution, overseas as well as in the US, they got top billing. But their facilities were closed and operations combined at Monogram in Illinois. The catalogs were essentially merged at that point, and going forward, the brands were swapped and combined, confusing modelers for the next 40 years. Add to that, that they reissued other makers' kits under agreements, and the Revell kits that were sold by overseas offices, and even with a scorecard, it's very difficult to tell the players.

Revell never developed a P-40B in any scale, but they did scale down their P-40E from 1/32 to 1/48. That was the basis for the ProModeler P-40E-with the inclusion of 2 modified Monogram figures.

That P-40B is still a nice kit and holds up well, despite what some at HyperScale might say. Even with Airfix' newer P-40B, which is a nice kit in its own right, I enjoy building the old Monogram kit. If there is any drawback, it's fighting the urge to finish it as anything but a Flying Tiger. But that livery is just so cool!

A PS: if you're interested in the histories of Monogram and Revell, I recommend Thomas Graham's books, "Monogram Model Kits" and "Remembering Revell Model Kits." He covers the origins of both companies and takes them up to the merger, and includes catalog lists. He wrote one on Aurora, too. And YouTuber maxsmodels produced videos about each company, as well as many others (he's been cited here in the forum, I think).

Scalemates is good, too, but it's only as good as any given member who posted something. I find it a supplement, not a primary source.

You might not be interested, but if you're like me, it's fun to know things like this.

Thanks Brad - it's nice to know a bit of the history.

I do like a nice old Monogram kit - I just wish they weren't so expensive over here in the UK.

 

[Edbert]

how you can have several builds going,

I feel the same about those of you who can focus on only one build, be it a week or 6 months. I'm a bit jealous and in awe to be honest.

 

[Jakko]

in 1949, [Taiwan] assumed new importance when the Communists took over the mainland and wanted it back.

And to make it even more interesting: For decades, what you always hear in the news etc. is "China considers Taiwan a rogue province", or words to that effect. But they're both China, and they both claim all of the territory of modern China (or perhaps Taiwan doesn't claim Tibet, I don't know). And until the late 1960s, IIRC (I don't feel like looking up the date), enough of the rest of the world agreed with the government of the Republic of China (=Taiwan) to give it a permanent seat on the UN Security Council instead of the People's Republic of China.

And now back to modelling: in the 1920s and '30s, with the civil war still going, one of the main arms supplier of the Kuomintang was Germany, which also provided training to Nationalist (=KMT) forces. Once Hitler came to power, this didn't change even though it fit rather poorly with National-Socialist ideology. However, after Japan joined the Italian-German Axis, Germany pulled out of China — against objections from the German military. But all of this explains why Nationalist Chinese troops wore German helmets and used a good number of German weapons even as late as 1945 and beyond. Plenty of interesting models to make with this in mind, especially if you then add in British- and American-supplied equipment from about 1942 on.

 

[Alphonse]

It's complicated, and I don't think I understand all the nuances (I suspect @Alphonse will be able to enlighten us), but basically the 1910s and 20s was the Warlord Era of near-anarchy, with local rulers grabbing as much power as they could. The Kuomintang, led by Chiang Kai-shek, came out of this as the strongest force and was able to assert its control over most of the country, but at the same time, the Communist Party of China, with Mao Zedong at its head, was also making major headway.

Some years after Japan engineered the Mukden Incident in 1931, which led to them establishing the puppet state of Manchukuo with former Qing Emperor Puyi as its figurehead, the KMT and CPC over time agreed to put aside their differences in order to fight the Japanese — which happened just in time before the Japanese started the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937. This was eventually subsumed into the Second World War, and over the course of that, relations between KMT and CPC deteriorated. The KMT was supported by the Western Allies (hence the Flying Tigers in the early 1940s, the Burma Road, etc.) while the CPC got support from the Soviet Union. Before 1945, the two sides were fighting each other as much as they did the Japanese, and after Japan surrendered, both turned their full attention to defeating the other.

In late 1949, the KMT was so far on the back foot that it withdrew to Taiwan (which had been Japanese from 1895 to 1945) to regroup, and remained in control there until 2016, when it was defeated in presidential elections for the first time. (Of course, before 1987 there was no contest to the KMT's rule because Taiwan was essentially a dictatorship until then.)

A pretty good summary!
Just allow me to add a bit of details here.
Firstly, Kuomingtang also got Soviet support way before CCP did, beause the Soviets then did not believe CCP could achieve that much.
Secondly, in the First United Front, also known as the KMT-CCP Alliance, in 1923, the communists, who joined KMT under the direct order of the Soviets, stabbed the KMT in the back during the Northern Expedition, by spreading communism to the KMT leftwing, agitating revolutionists in rural areas, and organizing insurrections and strikes in KMT-controlled cities.
Thirdly, the funniest thing is, despite decades of animosity, today's KMT in Taiwan has almost become a pro-CCP party, blocking Taiwan's defense budget against imminent CCP threats, advocating union under CCP rule, etc.

 

[BarleyBop]

one of the main arms supplier of the Kuomintang was Germany

Hmmm, did not know this!

In a household with family directly impacted by all those events, it is not often talked about around here.
I.e. at one point, many of the Kuomintang run schools herded all the boys of a certain age onto ships to Taiwan, so my wife had uncles in Mainland China and Taiwan.... and Shandong province suffered greatly under the Japanese, then her family, under the communists.

 

[Alphonse]

And to make it even more interesting: For decades, what you always hear in the news etc. is "China considers Taiwan a rogue province", or words to that effect. But they're both China, and they both claim all of the territory of modern China (or perhaps Taiwan doesn't claim Tibet, I don't know). And until the late 1960s, IIRC (I don't feel like looking up the date), enough of the rest of the world agreed with the government of the Republic of China (=Taiwan) to give it a permanent seat on the UN Security Council instead of the People's Republic of China.

And now back to modelling: in the 1920s and '30s, with the civil war still going, one of the main arms supplier of the Kuomintang was Germany, which also provided training to Nationalist (=KMT) forces. Once Hitler came to power, this didn't change even though it fit rather poorly with National-Socialist ideology. However, after Japan joined the Italian-German Axis, Germany pulled out of China — against objections from the German military. But all of this explains why Nationalist Chinese troops wore German helmets and used a good number of German weapons even as late as 1945 and beyond. Plenty of interesting models to make with this in mind, especially if you then add in British- and American-supplied equipment from about 1942 on.

There is only one true China, and the other one (the bigger one, lol) should be called the Occupied Zone.

 

[Edbert]

There is only one true China, and the other one (the bigger one, lol) should be called the Occupied Zone.

The Romanov's agree!

 

[Ron2]

And all this is far more than I learned about Chinese history in high school!

 

[Jakko]

Same, but then, that goes for pretty much everything I know about history With 35+ years' worth of hindsight, one of my conclusions is that perhaps I should have gone to university to study history.

 

[Ron2]

Well this is going ALOT better than my phantom! Hit it with decals yesterday and a satin finish this morning. I'll do a bit more weathering and then do some spot varnishing with flat coat. I'm liking this method for showing weathering lately. I may add a bit of dust, my understanding is this outfit had more fade and dust and not chipping. The pics I've pulled up show this to be true. If anyone has seen otherwise please share. Darn shark mouth got me! It was a struggle getting the mouth lined up, especially with lack of a satin coat and while applying the micro sol I noticed the top teeth don't quite line up. I don't see a way to fix that without endangering the rest of it so "a man on a fast horse will never notice."

Wrapped this up today. Cool little plane!

 

[BarleyBop]

Very nice!
Cycling through your pics, I half expected it to take off!v
Love the subject, and the field setting.