French tanks. But with a difference …

Jakko

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Now that both Cuckoo and my Archer are nearly done, I think I can allow myself to start a topic about the next thing I will be building. Not one but two French tanks:

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… but not quite as you might expect :)

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About the how and why of this, I'll keep you wondering for a bit longer :p
 
Hmm … it's not going to be "ex-French, now British" — it will actually be more historical than that. Well, almost-historical, anyway …
 
Chair pulled up Jakko.Intrigued to what Alchemy you conjure up.Do like the Chars Francaise avec les Coleurs Tres Jolie.
Richard
 
Let's start by showing the contents of the boxes. The H39 is, of course, brand-new and looks very good, as you would expect of modern Tamiya kits:

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And the B1 bis:

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Um … Oh, yeah, I've had this for a bit longer, that's right … :) Almost twenty years ago, when it was new, I bought and built this kit, but never finished painting it:

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As those knowledgeable about the B1 will already have spotted, the intention was to make it into tank No. 251, named Fantasque, but my artistic skills weren't up to doing justice to the painted-on trees and shrubs, which meant it ended up back in its box only to come out of it again now :)

The reason to do that and buy an H39 as well is:—

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Because this has some interesting things to tell us about reasonably serious plans to cast armoured components for the H39 and/or Char B1 in the UK, in return for which the British would get completed tanks equal to half the number of castings they supplied. This never actually happened for several reasons, primarily of course the fall of France in June 1940, but also because the British were looking at making quite a few changes to make the H39 (the main candidate for this plan) better suited to their ways of armoured warfare. They wanted a two-man turret, for example, because they felt it needed more than one man (many French shared this opinion, but they were stuck with the turret, at least in the short run). There was also mention of doubling the number of bogies, but I can't figure out what exactly they meant by that — two side-by-side? I can't make much else of it, but it seems unlikely. There were also ideas about boring out the 37 mm gun to 39 mm so that it could fire British 2-pounder ammunition (a gun that today is considered a 40 mm, but in the late 1930s apparently a 39 mm).

In other words, this will be a what-if: What if the Battle of France had gone according to Franco-British plans so that the Germans would have been halted in northern France? and What if (because of this) French tanks had been supplied to the British in order to continue the war in France?.

The H39 will be built more or less straight from the box, with a few modifications. At the very least a British antenna, and probably reinforcing plates on all six bogies instead of only on the front ones or none at all, as Tamiya supplies them. And perhaps a hint that the gun uses 2-pounder ammunition.

The B1 bis will also get a British antenna and also a 2-pounder gun, because that was a better antitank gun than the French 47 mm and as far as I can tell, would fit in the turret. I also need to remove several parts that are already on the model, because Fantasque was a mid-production vehicle while the British would of course have gotten tanks with later features than that. Luckily, the details are on chars-francais.net.

And, of course, British camouflage, markings and crews for both. That's what the Gecko figures and Peddinghaus decals are for :)
 
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I'm not really sure what those are for either, but they're in the kit, and the instructions don't tell you about them at all. I can only speculate that they're for maintenance.
 
Haha .
I didn't see them in the pages you linked to . Figured you know all about them .
So disappointed in you Jakko . ;)

They indeed must be for dismounting that entire side plate , good lord , to access wheels / suspension .
Why did you install them if they aren't on Fantasque ?
 
Why did you install them if they aren't on Fantasque ?
They're clearly removable, not folding. The sides of the B1 bis have sockets with two horizontal bars (bolts?) that the legs fit into/onto, and I thought it would be more interesting to have them fitted. I still do, but I will be removing them for this British variant because I want to show it as in the field rather than undergoing repairs or something.
 
I cannot find a single photo of those yonkers attached to a B1
nor even a single scale model sporting them .
Do you have a photo or a technical description from a manual or the like ?

I was wondering if they carried it internal as standard kit . or , if that's depot gear .
 
I don't know either — like I said, they're in the kit but it doesn't tell you how to use them. However, they fit perfectly in the brackets on the hull sides, and I doubt Tamiya just made these up because they look nice :)

Anyway, they're off my model now, as I began work on the model by taking off the unnecessary bits tonight:

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The turret, its hatch and the commander's cupola were loose anyway, the rest took a bit more effort. Not that much, because almost everything came off reasonably easily, except the antenna. I had to saw through that for about two-thirds of its diameter and then did the rest with a chisel-shaped knife, because there were details on the roof in the way of the saw. In doing this, I just managed to avoid stabbing myself in the fingers when the antenna gave way at the end of the— even though I was consciously trying to keep them out of the path of the blade! In other words: always beware.
 
I doubt Tamiya just made these up because they look nice
lulz , now I need to find out where Tamiya see them .
I'd think they would need to be screw jacks to be any real use . I can't see enough detail on them from your photo .
 
I think the idea is that the tank would have been jacked up, a strut installed, and the jack moved to another point to install another strut. This way the tank can be off the ground for work without there being jacks underneath it (never work under a vehicle if it's only supported by jacks).
 
Jakko, your models with the history behind are always interesting... Looking forward to this one! And question, how many more ideas do you have??
 


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