Accessories for Star Wars models

[Ebbets man]

Hello,
I'm building 1-1000 scale model Star Wars At-At Imperial Walkers and was wondering if there are to scale accessories such as X Wing fighters and other cool things to add to the diorama?
Thanks

Dave

 

[urumomo]

Welcome to SMA !

Is it 1/1000 or 1/100 scale ?
and what part of the planet do you live on ?

 

[Ebbets man]

1-1000 scale. I live in Washington.
Thanks for replying.

 

[Ebbets man]

The model stands about seven inches tall.

 

[urumomo]

That would make the AT-AT 583 feet tall .
are you sure it's 1/1000 ?
The internet says the AT-AT is 74 feet tall
What kit is this , Revell ?

 

[urumomo]

Is it this ?
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/revell-06578-at-act-walker--1118349

 

[Ebbets man]

That would make the AT-AT 583 feet tall .
are you sure it's 1/1000 ?
The internet says the AT-AT is 74 feet tall
What kit is this , Revell ?

That was off the site and I thought it was off too. It's about eight inches tall. It's an MPC model.j

 

[urumomo]

So it is this kit ? ,

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/mpc-1918-at-at--135424

 

[urumomo]

I am not a Star Wars aficionado ,
but looking around the internet , the kits aren't real big on any consistent scale ,

It looks like Revell made a 1:100 X-wing at some point but I had no luck finding one for sale .
The snow speeder kits are either non-scaled or are oddball scales like 1/50 , 1/65 ..

Revell appears to have a 1/72 X-wing that is on the market , far away from this 1:100 scale .

There is always 3D printing .
I'm sure you could acquire whatever you need , in any scale , going that route .
I am not the one to ask , though . I've never dealt with it .
You can search for " 3D printed snow speeder " etc .

That AT-AT is indeed labeled as 1 : 100 scale

 

[Ebbets man]

That's it! What's frustrating is the matching of sizes. Things are in mm, HO, N, O scale, fractions like 1/247. It's all over the map.

 

[urumomo]

Yes ,
endless variety of scales .

If we use this 22.5 meter height given here --> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/All_Terrain_Armored_Transport/Legends
That's just under 74 feet .
If that model stands 8 inches tall ? , then it's 1:111 scale .
You can fine tune the exact scale with an exact measurement of the model .

I think I saw some 1:112 scale Star Wars stuff , but I don't remember exactly what or where .
Long out of production items

If you get some stuff 3D printed it can be done at that 1 : 111 scale , or any scale .

 

[Ebbets man]

Thanks. I don't have any access to that 3D printing. I guess you have to hunt and peck through the hobby world to piece together projects. I've got experience with HO scale and 1/72 figures. O scale and 1/35 figures kind of work.

 

[Jakko]

The old MPC AT-AT is about 1:100 scale, IIRC. I built one long ago and wanted to put it into a diorama, so I began looking for suitable figures, and found I needed about 15 mm ones to get them in scale. Not that I ever built the diorama, of course — or even bought figures, for that matter

Much of the problem with these kits is that they were made to fit the box, rather than to a constant scale. Really weird, this is a very 1950s–60s thing to do, you would expect a kit manufacturer in the 1980s to have realised already that people will prefer it if the sizes of different models are comparable.

 

[Ebbets man]

The old MPC AT-AT is about 1:100 scale, IIRC. I built one long ago and wanted to put it into a diorama, so I began looking for suitable figures, and found I needed about 15 mm ones to get them in scale. Not that I ever built the diorama, of course — or even bought figures, for that matter

Much of the problem with these kits is that they were made to fit the box, rather than to a constant scale. Really weird, this is a very 1950s–60s thing to do, you would expect a kit manufacturer in the 1980s to have realised already that people will prefer it if the sizes of different models are comparable.

Thanks for the tip on the size to go with the model. Much appreciated! Yes you would think model companies would include on the box appropriate size matches to compliment their boxed model kit. Star Wars is still fairly relevant. My kids although older are still into it.

 

[Jakko]

Hey, I just bought a Bandai 1:72 scale B-Wing A very long time ago, I got the old MPC set with an A-Wing, a B-Wing, an X-Wing and a TIE Interceptor in it — all of them to different scales … I liked the B-Wing best, really, which is why I got a modern kit of that when I found it (relatively) cheap last week.

 

[Pantherman]

Hello,
I'm building 1-1000 scale model Star Wars At-At Imperial Walkers and was wondering if there are to scale accessories such as X Wing fighters and other cool things to add to the diorama?
Thanks

Dave

Hi and welcome to the forum. Pantherman

 

[Ebbets man]

Hey, I just bought a Bandai 1:72 scale B-Wing A very long time ago, I got the old MPC set with an A-Wing, a B-Wing, an X-Wing and a TIE Interceptor in it — all of them to different scales … I liked the B-Wing best, really, which is why I got a modern kit of that when I found it (relatively) cheap last week.

Would the B Wing size work with 1-100 scale size( 8 inches tall)?
Thanks!
Dave

 

[OldManModeler]

Looks like a fun kit!

Scale is EVERYTHING. Kits not in standard scale are always hard to find a match for.

Standard scale is; 1/220 (Z gauge trains), 1/285 (6mm), N gauge trains (about 1/155), 1/87 (HO trains), 1/72, 1/48, 1/24,1/25, 1/32, 1/35, 1/16, 1/12, 1/10, 1/9, 1/6. I may have missed a couple, but anything of another scale is a crap shoot.

I have a 1/56th scale aircraft model that is in my stash, but worthless if I wanted to add another vehicle or figures.

You might find diecast toys that are close to 1/111. I don't know. Get out your caliper and see what an X-Wing fighter should be in length in the scale you want. Might be available as a diecast toy on Amazon for super cheap.

Be well. Model on.

Eric

 

[Ebbets man]

Looks like a fun kit!

Scale is EVERYTHING. Kits not in standard scale are always hard to find a match for.

Standard scale is; 1/220 (Z gauge trains), 1/285 (6mm), N gauge trains (about 1/155), 1/87 (HO trains), 1/72, 1/48, 1/24,1/25, 1/32, 1/35, 1/16, 1/12, 1/10, 1/9, 1/6. I may have missed a couple, but anything of another scale is a crap shoot.

I have a 1/56th scale aircraft model that is in my stash, but worthless if I wanted to add another vehicle or figures.

You might find diecast toys that are close to 1/111. I don't know. Get out your caliper and see what an X-Wing fighter should be in length in the scale you want. Might be available as a diecast toy on Amazon for super cheap.

Be well. Model on.

Eric

I get the scales but what's needed are inch and mm cross references to all of those gauges. Die cast toys are a good idea. That's where I've been thinking. The hobby shop near me has those smaller than 1/72 size metal military figures and I think there are micro figures for that smaller than HO sized trains and scenes.

 

[stevethefish]

That AT-AT kit by MPC comes with turrets and Snowspeeders. Those Snowspeeders are supposed to be in-scale with the AT-AT, and IIRC those Snowspeeders are kinda close in size to the 1:144 Snowspeeders by Bandai.

The thing about AT-ATs is that since it's a movie, the scale can be whatever. The Snowspeeders look a lot smaller in relation to the AT-ATs in the movie than what you'd see with the 1:144 Bandai Snowspeeders and the 1:144 Bandai AT-AT. I think it's because the sizes given in those old Star Wars RPG sourcebooks from the '80s had screwy sizes. When they made that dumb Disney movie with Rey camping out on an AT-AT, that thing was too small. It's because they canonized the dumb numbers given in those RPG books.

If Blake is around, he can explain things better.

 

[OldManModeler]

It's not hard to do.

Take your typical smart phone and find the calculator and unit converter. Put in the height of a normal 6 foot man, 6, and multiply by 12, you'll get inches. 72. Divide that by the scale that you think it is, in this case maybe 1/144. So 72 /divided by 144 = .5. In this case a 1/144th scale figure should be 1/2 inch tall. Use the unit converter to turn it into mm.
If you know the real dimensions of the real article, you can find the scale.
If a 'real' AT AT is 40 feet tall and your model is 8 inches tall, That is 40 x 12 to get to inches. Divided that by 8 (the height of your model AT AT) and that will give you the scale. In this mentioned case it would be 1/60th scale.
The formula is: (Actual or real vehicle height in inches or mm) divided by the model's actual measured height in inches or mm. That will give you the scale.
If your model AT AT is 1/144 scale and a 'real' X Wing fighter is 30 feet long, Take 30 and multiply it by 12 to convert it into inches. Then divide by 144 and you will know how long your scaled X Wing fighter needs to be in inches. Which in this case is 2.5 inches long. Or convert it all to metric if that's your thing.

If you don't know the scale at all of the model, look into the cockpit and estimate the size of man in your model. Say for example that it looks like a man would be 1/4" or ,25 inches tall sitting in that little cockpit. Take the inches of an average 6 foot tall man, which is 72, and divide it by your 1/4 inch or .25 man. It comes out to 1/288th scale.

By the way, 1/285th scale is a common size for war gamers. Check out GHQ Micro Armor website if you need figures that small.

Be well. Model on.

Eric

 

[Jakko]

Would the B Wing size work with 1-100 scale size( 8 inches tall)?

The MPC B-Wing, you mean? I just had a look for where I left that model, and it turns out to be about 17.5 cm tall. According to this page, it's supposed to be 16.9 m "long", which I take to mean its longest dimension, so it would scale out at around 1:97. That sounds good enough to me to use as 1:100, especially for something that's 100% fictional anyway.

I have a 1/56th scale aircraft model that is in my stash, but worthless if I wanted to add another vehicle or figures.

Not at all. Since maybe ten years or so, this has been a common scale for wargames: it's basically the scale equivalent of the "28 mm" wargames figures, and you can buy those and associated vehicles from a number of manufacturers, not least Italeri.

Use the unit converter to turn it into mm.

Or just measure in metric from the start and shift the comma as needed 16.9 m ÷ 17.5 cm = 16.9 m ÷ 0.175 m = 16900 cm ÷ 17.5 cm = 169000 mm ÷ 175 mm ≈ 96.5, meaning ca. 1:97 scale.

 

[Rich97]

That AT-AT kit by MPC comes with turrets and Snowspeeders. Those Snowspeeders are supposed to be in-scale with the AT-AT, and IIRC those Snowspeeders are kinda close in size to the 1:144 Snowspeeders by Bandai.

The thing about AT-ATs is that since it's a movie, the scale can be whatever. The Snowspeeders look a lot smaller in relation to the AT-ATs in the movie than what you'd see with the 1:144 Bandai Snowspeeders and the 1:144 Bandai AT-AT. I think it's because the sizes given in those old Star Wars RPG sourcebooks from the '80s had screwy sizes. When they made that dumb Disney movie with Rey camping out on an AT-AT, that thing was too small. It's because they canonized the dumb numbers given in those RPG books.

If Blake is around, he can explain things better.

I have both the 1/100 and 1/144 kits and I was thinking that the snowspeeders included in the 1/100 kit are too small, so I'm going to find some info and report back on what the actual scale of the snowspeeders included in the 1/100 kit is.

Update: the MPC snowspeeder is approximately 1.5 inches long, which is 3.8cm long. According to the internet, the snowspeeder is 5.6m long which makes the scale 1/147! Pretty cool. I can use the MPC snowspeeders with the Bandai kit

It could even be 1/144 (without rounding of decimals)..

 

[blakeh1]

Here is a shot of the Snowspeeder that came in the MPC AT-AT on the right
compared to the larger Bandai mech collection Snowspeeder in the middle
compared to the Fine Molds/F-Toys Snowspeeder on the left which is even slightly larger than the Bandai

The Bandai and F-Toys ones are thought of as 1/144, but I actually think they are both closer to 1/110 or even 1/100. I feel like the MPC one is actually closer to 1/144 than either of them

As far as pairing, my personal opinion is the F-Toys snowspeeder visually feels like a better match for the MPC 1/100ish AT-AT closely followed by the Bandai one as both seem on the larger side for the Bandai 1/144 AT-AT. However details are light years ahead on either of those compared to the MPC one.

However, I think they can look good with either pairing

The way those scenes were filmed leaves us with very inconsistent scaling based on what filming models where used in the shots. Sometimes the speeders look really big like in the foot crushing scene, other times they look really small. Also does not help that the figures they put inside the large filming model are basically just torsos making it hard for a real person to fit in something full size at those same proportions

So in the end, go with what you think pairs best

for other reference, here is the Bandai 1/144 with some 1/144 scale figures and the Bandi and F-Toys speeders

As far as other things that are close in scale

The MPC Imperial shuttle or the Jazwares (aka Micro Galaxy) IMperial shuttle would look great together with the MPC AT-AT in an Endor Landing platform diorama

Or the Revell U-Wing is fairly close in scale (maybe around 1/90), as is the smaller Revell snap kit (it is around 1/110)