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[kevin]

Well put, VegasAWACER13.
I also agree with Edbert's thoughts as well.

I would just say the difference that stands out in my mind is what the Germans did was industrialized mass murder.
Camps built, people rounded up, train schedules kept.....
Alot of people woke up in the morning and went to "work"..... every day for a couple years.

 

[Ron2]

Some thoughts…

While the Soviet Union and Communist China were/are undeniably authoritarian, repressive regimes, it's hard to argue that any symbol has become as indelibly intertwined with racism, hatred, and genocide as the swastika. There simply is no comparison in modern history. Certainly Nazi Germany had no monopoly on racism and genocide, but there is no other Western precedent for a nation that initiated a program of systemic, state-sanctioned racism and genocide on the scale of the Nazis, from the Nuremberg Laws of 1935 onwards.

I think there's also a cultural component to the issue as well. Historically, Russia was never viewed by Western Europeans as a part of Europe. And China, obviously, was on the other side of the world. Germany was one of the traditional great powers of Western Europe, a sibling nation that gave itself over to state-sponsored racism, declared itself the "master race," and then embarked on a campaign of conquest that resulted in other Western European states being subjected to its programs of terror and genocide. Framed in that light, it's not difficult to see why Western European nations felt compelled to outlaw Nazi symbols in the war's aftermath. As for Eastern European states, they may have ended up under the Soviet bootheel, but they initially welcomed the Soviets as liberators. And the Soviets themselves played a significant role in abolishing the symbols of their hated adversary in their vassal states.

I'd disagree. Stalin had his purges. Katlyn massacre in 1940, the Circassian genocide, and Ukraine in 32-33 and now. China murdered and tortured during the cultural revolution, slaughtered and tried to eradicate Mongolia and Tibetans and the Uyghurs not to mention their persecution of Christian's.

 

[VegasAWACER13]

I'd disagree. Stalin had his purges. Katlyn massacre in 1940, the Circassian genocide, and Ukraine in 32-33 and now. China murdered and tortured during the cultural revolution, slaughtered and tried to eradicate Mongolia and Tibetans and the Uyghurs not to mention their persecution of Christian's.

As I said, Germany does not have a monopoly on genocide. The examples you cite are all relevant.

But name an example in which the leaders of a state systematically used all the formal instruments of the state to target an entire ethic population for extermination, and then carried that extermination out on an industrial scale, harnessing all the means at their disposal—the legal processes to pass the laws, the police and military forces to round the target population up, the state rail network to transport millions, the scientists and industrialists to devise the most "expedient" method of executions, the labor required to build hundreds of camps across Europe, and the many thousands of camp guards who did the killings.

But beyond all that, is there another example in Europe, heir to the Western European culture, religion, tradition, and history? Because it is after all, European nations we are discussing who have outlawed Nazi symbols.

 

[Ron2]

As I said, Germany does not have a monopoly on genocide. The examples you cite are all relevant.

But name an example in which the leaders of a state systematically used all the formal instruments of the state to target an entire ethic population for extermination, and then carried that extermination out on an industrial scale, harnessing all the means at their disposal—the legal processes to pass the laws, the police and military forces to round the target population up, the state rail network to transport millions, the scientists and industrialists to devise the most "expedient" method of executions, the labor required to build hundreds of camps across Europe, and the many thousands of camp guards who did the killings.

But beyond all that, is there another example in Europe, heir to the Western European culture, religion, tradition, and history? Because it is after all, European nations we are discussing who have outlawed Nazi symbols.

I understand what you're saying and i misspoke in saying I disagree. A knee jerk reaction of you will, because of my disgust with much of what china has committed and Russia as well - I am more familiar with chinas atrocities. The whole subject is abhorrent and I'll just leave it at that.

 

[VegasAWACER13]

The whole subject is abhorrent and I'll just leave it at that.

True statement.