JO-HAN Chrysler Turbine Car Question...

[Albireo]

I've got one of the old kits that's already molded in what looks to me to be the accurate color. My question is, I believe it should have a metal flake finish so, does a clear metal flake paint (rattle can preferred) exist that I could apply over the molded color?

Thanks!

 

[urumomo]

This thing ?

There is certainly a rattlecan that is it or at least close ,
might take a bit of searching and an airbrush might be necessary if you want total accuracy .

an example that might work ,

https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catag...=1&u=0&pg=1&ppp=48&sb=stocknumber_a&so=d&co=2

Looking at photos in Google Images , the color varies a bit of course - depending on lighting etc

Airbrush paint source : https://mcwfinishes.com/

 

[Albireo]

This thing ?

There is certainly a rattlecan that is it or at least close ,
might take a bit of searching and an airbrush might be necessary if you want total accuracy .

an example that might work ,

https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catag...=1&u=0&pg=1&ppp=48&sb=stocknumber_a&so=d&co=2

Looking at photos in Google Images , the color varies a bit of course - depending on lighting etc

Airbrush paint source : https://mcwfinishes.com/

Yeah, that's the vehicle. That color looks too orange. As I said, the molded color is, to my eye at least, as accurate as I've seen. It's the metal flake finish that I'm hoping to achieve thus my question about a clear metal flake.

Interestingly the instructions, and keep in mind this model is decades old, say that the specific color is "PACTRA Diamond flake-BRONZE MIST #D-52"
which of course is long, long out of production and a can on eBay is way too expensive.

 

[urumomo]

I think any " metallic flake " clear will be out of scale .

Here's a bronze-ish ,
https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catag...=0&micr=772&pg=1&ppp=48&sb=stocknumber_a&so=d

Can you upload a photo or two of the plastic ?

actual bronze :

 

[Albireo]

I think any " metallic flake " clear will be out of scale .

Here's a bronze-ish ,
https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catag...=0&micr=772&pg=1&ppp=48&sb=stocknumber_a&so=d

Can you upload a photo or two of the plastic ?

actual bronze :

What do you mean by out of scale, that the flakes would be too large?
Here's the best I can do with a photo. Lighting seems to be a challenge in getting the color to render correctly. It's actually less brown than this.

 

[urumomo]

Yeah , flakes too big .
and again , yeah , lighting is everything when it comes to color -- and camera settings etc etc

it looks very red primer in your photo .
Looks more orange in the photos in google of the real car ,
depends on which photo you choose : https://www.google.com/search?q=chr...BMaAHALIHALgHAMIHAzQtMcgHEw&sclient=img&udm=2

Something closer to this ? :

 

[Albireo]

Yeah , flakes too big .
and again , yeah , lighting is everything when it comes to color -- and camera settings etc etc

it looks very red primer in your photo .
Looks more orange in the photos in google of the real car ,
depends on which photo you choose : https://www.google.com/search?q=chr...BMaAHALIHALgHAMIHAzQtMcgHEw&sclient=img&udm=2

Something closer to this ? :

That actually looks too red/orange. Of course, I'm basing some of this on my memory of seeing one in person many years ago. And also, on the fact that I don't really want to paint the whole thing.

So, back to the metal flake size, I know colored metal flake paint is nice a small, appropriate for the scale of the models, but are you saying that the only clear metal flake that there is, would be made for actual cars, full size?

 

[urumomo]

You have an airbrush ?

 

[Edbert]

That bronze/orange metallic is the only color these cars came in.

They never reached full-blown production, but they did (do) exist. A family friend had a Chrysler dealership in SE Houston in the 1960s. Back in those days dealerships had plastic models of the various cars they sold. Since I was a kid I would usually play with his "toys" when we are at their house and they decided to let me choose one to take home. I wonder if he grimaced a bit when I chose the Turbine instead of the Coronet or Dart.

I still have it after all these years, keep it in my display cabinet with other cars.

Same bronze color too.

 

[Edbert]

I've only used this brand of paint once. It is not cheap, but I wanted a full-effort paint job and know that requires quality paints so I used this brand. My results were better than expecations, although I did not use their multi-part/multi-stage clear, I think those are epoxies not lacquers.

Gravity Brand Paints

...and they have the color you seek too
https://gravity-colors.com/118-18-gc-2133-chrysler-turbine-bronze/

 

[Albireo]

You have an airbrush ?

No. I'm just now getting back into modeling after 50+ years so I'm not ready to jump into that yet. Rattle bottle for me, for now.

 

[Albireo]

I've only used this brand of paint once. It is not cheap, but I wanted a full-effort paint job and know that requires quality paints so I used this brand. My results were better than expecations, although I did not use their multi-part/multi-stage clear, I think those are epoxies not lacquers.

Gravity Brand Paints

...and they have the color you seek too
https://gravity-colors.com/118-18-gc-2133-chrysler-turbine-bronze/

Yeah, I found that. But, I don't airbrush.

 

[urumomo]

IDK , man , I don't think you will find a flake clear in a spray can that won't be wildly out of scale but ,
and don't need a Hobby Lobby , you might check out a paint like this ,
smaller cans so you can test out some colors without breaking the bank .
https://www.hobbylobby.com/crafts-h...aint/krylon-short-cuts-spray-paint/p/80979231

 

[Albireo]

IDK , man , I don't think you will find a flake clear in a spray can that won't be wildly out of scale but ,
and don't need a Hobby Lobby , you might check out a paint like this ,
smaller cans so you can test out some colors without breaking the bank .
https://www.hobbylobby.com/crafts-h...aint/krylon-short-cuts-spray-paint/p/80979231

I've got a local Hobby Lobby. I'll check out what they have. Thanks for the tips.

 

[urumomo]

Do you have an automotive paint supply in your area ?
Good place to check .
even just an auto parts store

 

[Albireo]

That bronze/orange metallic is the only color these cars came in.

They never reached full-blown production, but they did (do) exist. A family friend had a Chrysler dealership in SE Houston in the 1960s. Back in those days dealerships had plastic models of the various cars they sold. Since I was a kid I would usually play with his "toys" when we are at their house and they decided to let me choose one to take home. I wonder if he grimaced a bit when I chose the Turbine instead of the Coronet or Dart.

I still have it after all these years, keep it in my display cabinet with other cars.

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Same bronze color too.

Yeah, I'm going to have to go on a scavenger hunt trying out various bronze/burnt orange paints.

 

[Albireo]

Do you have an automotive paint supply in your area ?
Good place to check .
even just an auto parts store

I do but, I just stumbled on this from another modeling forum...

Tamiya TS92 Orange Metallic

Looks like this...

 

[urumomo]

Ts92 is orange : https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catag...-orange-spray/TAM00085092/product.php?kw=TS92

 

[Albireo]

Ts92 is orange : https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catag...-orange-spray/TAM00085092/product.php?kw=TS92

I've got a local hobby shop (HobbyTown) that has it in stock. Where are my keys...

 

[urumomo]

this one is closer but not as dark as in your photo ,
Ts 31
https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catag...pg=1&ppp=48&sb=stocknumber_a&so=d&e=0&man=TAM

 

[Albireo]

this one is closer but not as dark as in your photo ,
Ts 31
https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catag...pg=1&ppp=48&sb=stocknumber_a&so=d&e=0&man=TAM

That looks too bright orange. And it's not metallic. I think the TS-92 is the ticket. I'll grab a can and do some tests on a couple plastic spoons. One with white primer and one with grey to see what looks best.

 

[urumomo]

another orange metallic is Ts 61

Good luck !
Post some pics so we can see how the colors look

 

[Albireo]

another orange metallic is Ts 61

Good luck !
Post some pics so we can see how the colors look

Thank you. I will.

 

[Albireo]

another orange metallic is Ts 61

Good luck !
Post some pics so we can see how the colors look

That PS61 (TS61 is green) says it's for Polycarbonate vs. Plastics. Would that matter?

 

[urumomo]

Haha , that was from the Tamiya website .
It said it was metallic orange and wasn't for polycarbonate .
https://www.tamiyausa.com/shop/paints/sprays/

The polycarbonate paints are solvent beasts , Tamiya tells you not to use them on polystyrene -- pretty sure because it could soften details .
The guys at the hobby shop will definitely be able to help you further

 

[Mr. Goch]

The Johan kit isn't even close the the actual color. The Turbine Car was painted Turbine Bronze, Chrysler Paint Code MM-1.

It's a metallic paint. Neither Tamiya, nor any other standard paint line makes anything similar. Scale Finishes has Turbine Bronze available as paint code "M" under the 1967 Chrysler listing. Ditch the rattlecan stuff. Invest in an airbrush. You'll have more, and correct, choices available instead of relying on "it's close enough" or "almost".

 

[Edbert]

Ditch the rattlecan stuff. Invest in an airbrush.

If you (anyone, not intended to mean an individual) intend to continue building models I have to agree with this advice.

I think you can paint a car's body with a rattle-can and have good results, but you cannot paint the hundreds of little bits easily with that approach, and trouch-ups are a PITA. Not to mention things like pre-shading/post-shading or mixing custom colors.

I would say an airbrush is a top-5 must have items as it regards tools.

 

[Albireo]

If you (anyone, not intended to mean an individual) intend to continue building models I have to agree with this advice.

I think you can paint a car's body with a rattle-can and have good results, but you cannot paint the hundreds of little bits easily with that approach, and trouch-ups are a PITA. Not to mention things like pre-shading/post-shading or mixing custom colors.

I would say an airbrush is a top-5 must have items as it regards tools.

Well, generally I would agree however, I've not built models since I was 13 (I'm 66). I suffer from essential tremor in one hand and as such, I'm kind of easing my way back into this not knowing how far I can go.

I likely would not get deep enough into this hobby to do things like mixing colors or pre/post shading etc. I would want to keep it simple. I've been greatly encouraged by at least one Youtuber who gets great results using mostly rattle-cans and other techniques. For me, I could be happy with that.

I'm not ruling out going the airbrush route but a while back when I asked on another forum for advice on where to start with regards to airbrushes, the replies we're so complicated in terms of what models to look for, what paints to use and what not to use, oh and then having to worry about toxic fumes and the need to buy/build a paint booth with fans and such. No, too much at this point.

But we'll see.

 

[Albireo]

The Johan kit isn't even close the the actual color. The Turbine Car was painted Turbine Bronze, Chrysler Paint Code MM-1.

It's a metallic paint. Neither Tamiya, nor any other standard paint line makes anything similar. Scale Finishes has Turbine Bronze available as paint code "M" under the 1967 Chrysler listing. Ditch the rattlecan stuff. Invest in an airbrush. You'll have more, and correct, choices available instead of relying on "it's close enough" or "almost".

The JO-HAN colors apparently were all over the map. I've seen some that were quite dark. When I opened the box that I have my first impression was that it was pretty much how I remembered the real car that I saw an a museum in LA. Except for the metal flake finish. The Tamia color that I found is darn close enough for me to what the photo you provided. It's all about what will look good to me and make me happy. I'm not looking for perfection.

 

[BarleyBop]

I'm not looking for perfection

We hear ya! I guess if you were an automotive uber enthusiast, an airbrush might be a natural progression somewhere down the line.

It also depends on choice of subjects: from what I've seen on here, most military vehicles, and figures of any genre are quite suitable to rattle (I use for primer, and sometimes base colour) and brush... it's when you start going for perfect factory finish and large expanses of smooth metal, cars, planes and ship hulls that the brush might not give you the result you were hoping for.

In the meantime, enjoy getting back into the hobby (I'm also in the 66 club), and if you keep your credo in mind, you can't go wrong!