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Sometimes I come across posts where someone has included pictures and they apologize for the swastika. Like, oops, sorry I didn't know what was in there or didn't pay attention blah blah. And I'm saying what the heck is the big deal? Isn't this scale modeling? Aren't a very large portion of you concerned with getting your model historically accurate?? World War II happened. You can't change history. Why do people get concerned about oh my God there's a swastika in the photo? Right now I'm building a Stuka and I'm almost done. Yes there's a swastika on the tail. I think I did a excellent job. And when I post photos I am not going to blur it or anything like that. Ridiculous
 
Personally? I don't think it's a big deal. Show it or don't show it. I was just wondering if there's something against posting a swastika in a picture of a model. If no one cares and neither do I
 
I meant I've never seen anyone protest the appearance of a swastika here .
members can edit or censor whatever they feel like .
If someone doesn't want to see something , none of these threads are mandatory viewing .
 
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Were we to 'cancel' the swastika should we also 'cancel' Liebstandarte' or Hitler Jugend (etc) tactical markings, or even the Fascines from Italian aircraft markings? Where would it end ...
Steve
 
I think it's ok that people recognise other people's sensitivity, but that's just being polite. But if someone is offended, then perhaps they are in the wrong thread/ board?
Personally I struggle with Ambulance service documentaries on tv because of past trauma. My wife loves them, but I don't stop her watching them. I just go read or model.
So yes, recognise that some people may have an issue, but we can't just ignore these things happened, and to do so would be ignoring the warnings of the past.

fudge me that got a bit deep! :D
 
I made a ME262 night fighter from Revell years ago. I was highly agitated that they didn't include the swastika decal for the tail. I had to purchase an aftermarket swastika decal sheet to complete the build.
It is what it is, what happened happened.
 
kevin said:
I made a ME262 night fighter from Revell years ago. I was highly agitated that they didn't include the swastika decal for the tail. I had to purchase an aftermarket swastika decal sheet to complete the build.
It is what it is, what happened happened.
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some kits give you the swastika decal deconstructed .
 
Rob said:
Why do people get concerned about oh my God there's a swastika in the photo?
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Because in many parts of Europe, especially among older people, this is a much more sensitive issue than it is to Americans, and, to a bit lesser extent, British people.

For one, in some countries it's against the law to display swastikas and related symbols except if it's clearly in historical context or to protest against the things the symbols stand for. These laws tend to be interpreted with little leniency, on the principle of "better safe than sorry", so that a model kit of a historic German aircraft is not considered to be in historical context — even if a photograph of the exact same real aircraft would be.

Even in many European countries where it isn't actually illegal, displaying swastikas for any reason is generally at least frowned upon by a lot of people, even on things like model kits, or it's felt to be in bad taste. Not by the modellers themselves, obviously, but "outsiders" who aren't aware of the historical context of the model may well think poorly of it.
 
Yeah. What he said! :D
Jakko said:
Because in many parts of Europe, especially among older people, this is a much more sensitive issue than it is to Americans, and, to a bit lesser extent, British people.

For one, in some countries it's against the law to display swastikas and related symbols except if it's clearly in historical context or to protest against the things the symbols stand for. These laws tend to be interpreted with little leniency, on the principle of "better safe than sorry", so that a model kit of a historic German aircraft is not considered to be in historical context — even if a photograph of the exact same real aircraft would be.

Even in many European countries where it isn't actually illegal, displaying swastikas for any reason is generally at least frowned upon by a lot of people, even on things like model kits, or it's felt to be in bad taste. Not by the modellers themselves, obviously, but "outsiders" who aren't aware of the historical context of the model may well think poorly of it.
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I've been part of the paper modeling community for 20 years and this is something of a regular issue.
Partly because the hub of printed paper model publications is in Poland.
Where they are known to completely remove swastikas (on published model kits) or censor the artwork to avoid having their publications blocked.
In the same regard, you'll often find on the central European forums, swastikas are censored or banned.

Rob posted(#3) my post and comments regarding the swastikas.
I understand he was not singling me out.

Normally I make no comment or apologies for referencing history as it was.
I'm English, and Brits aren't bothered by the war and we have fun with it. We love "bad taste".
To me, a swastika is like a swear word - it's only insulting if it is used that way.

I only commented because:
a. I noticed there were more than one swastika in the photo and I didn't want anyone to assume I was making a point using swastikas.
b. I'm aware of the sensitivity of mid-Euro peoples and how it relates to scale modeling.
 
We are modelers and as such, when building military models, need to show them with their proper flags / emblems.
I do not see any issue if treated as such, and not as "propaganda".

Some people are indeed still very sensitive re the WW2, however, even if history is not to be forgotten, this is past and happened more than 80 years ago.

And same problem could apply to other nationalities or wars.

Btw, I am French.
 
I tend to ignore the topic entirely, but have seen kurfuffles on farcebook about models with the tail insignia before. Also the recent IPMS issue had a model on the cover that some Karen went crazy over and there were no swastikas in the picture, just a motorcyclist and his dog.

Unlike what is said about Europe, here in the states it is usually the young, overeducated and underemployed, tragically-single snowflakes, who spend their days looking for things to feel offended by.

Way I figure, if it offends you, look away, that is what I do with pop-music :)
 


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