ok i think i have a some vallejo satin layin around, ill check it out thanks again guys!!! hey spud do u lay a coat of satin in between the weathering? for instance like i did the dark grime first would i spray a coat of satin to add another such as rust streaks? and so on! i did this before when i used oils to keep the thinner from getting to the oils i allready put on the model!!! yea i know im a noob!!!