Ferrari! Except no substitutes!

[Dano1945]

YouTube - Ferrari Shell Commercial High Quality

 

[Quaralane]

Nice.

 

[13aceofspades13]

thats awesome right there... but......


Corvette! 8)

Sorry farrari Corvette stole my heart a long time ago...

listen to the orchestra of 8 pistons playing there sexy and deadly tune! TURN THE VOLUME UP!
A Rare Corvette C3 L88 Le Mans 570 HP

burnt rubber anyone?
1969 L88 CORVETTE BURNOUT

 

[Quaralane]

Ace, I'll see your Vette, and raise you the Ferrari Testarossa!
Long time Vette fan myself, but THIS was the car of my dreams back in high school.
Koenig Bodied Ferrari Testarossa Twin Turbo Start and Accelerate
Ferrari Testarossa HARD revving (Fuchs exhaust w/ race pipes!!) 1080p HD
Ferrari Testarossa Twin Turbo
ferrari testarossa donut/burnout @ cars and coffee NL

 

[Elm City Hobbies]

Vette?? :-X :-X :-X

Just a poor man's Ferrari......and no replacement for one either!

As you can tell, not a Vette fan myself, Ferraris are by far my favorite, I think last count I had 28 or 29 in the stash!!

 

[13aceofspades13]

Ace, I'll see your Vette, and raise you the Ferrari Testarossa!
Long time Vette fan myself, but THIS was the car of my dreams back in high school.
Koenig Bodied Ferrari Testarossa Twin Turbo Start and Accelerate
Ferrari Testarossa HARD revving (Fuchs exhaust w/ race pipes!!) 1080p HD
Ferrari Testarossa Twin Turbo
ferrari testarossa donut/burnout @ cars and coffee NL

the Fararri testerosa was a nice car indeed... beautiful lines and performance to match, beautiful machine, Fararri sure does a good job with some of there cars, they really take care in building there cars, and i think if i remember correctly Farraris are hand built, not built on a assembly line, the Farrari Testerosa was a car of its day!

however the 1990 Corvette ZR1 with its LT-5 Duel over head cam engine was slightly faster, the 5.7 liter 350CI V8 engine created 375HP the first ZR1 LT-5 pushed out, but later versions made around 1995 made about 405HP and beacuse of the Duel over had cam the engine had a very high rev, the Corvette ZR1 had slightly better acceleration and top end speed, but as far as handling goes im not too sure... the Corvette ZR1 was not as near as expensive as the Fararri, and has a fuel mileage of 25mph and could go from daily cruzer to road eater in just the flip of a switch and a punch on the gas!

farraris are nice though, good cars, once again, few car companies put as much quality into there cars as Fararri, and they have a racing heritage.

1990 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Start Up, Exhaust, In Depth Review, and Test Drive (Video #800)

 

[Elm City Hobbies]

FERRARI

Isn't as hand built as they once were. Not automated to the extreme like GM, Ford, etc, but not totally hand built like they were at one time. That being said....much of the assembly is still handbuilt to a certain extent.

As far as comparing cars....really can't compare a suped up ZR1 to a base Testarossa, kind of like comparing apples to oranges.

A stock Testarossa vs a stock vette of the same year......all the vette is going to see are the tail lights of the Testarossa ahead, getting smaller and smaller.

Take a full on suped up Koenzig Testarossa against a ZR1....the Ferrari is still going to leave the vette chewing its wake. I will admit that the ZR1 was a bad ass car, but has never been a match for anything GM has thrown at them, not even in the same league.

Performance of a ZR1 was in fact only slightly better than a stock Testarossa, 0-60 times were 4.4 for the vette, 5.3 for the Ferrari, so a little faster, top speed for both about the same.

 

[13aceofspades13]

FERRARI

Isn't as hand built as they once were. Not automated to the extreme like GM, Ford, etc, but not totally hand built like they were at one time. That being said....much of the assembly is still handbuilt to a certain extent.

As far as comparing cars....really can't compare a suped up ZR1 to a base Testarossa, kind of like comparing apples to oranges.

A stock Testarossa vs a stock vette of the same year......all the vette is going to see are the tail lights of the Testarossa ahead, getting smaller and smaller.

Take a full on suped up Koenzig Testarossa against a ZR1....the Ferrari is still going to leave the vette chewing its wake. I will admit that the ZR1 was a bad ass car, but has never been a match for anything GM has thrown at them, not even in the same league.

Performance of a ZR1 was in fact only slightly better than a stock Testarossa, 0-60 times were 4.4 for the vette, 5.3 for the Ferrari, so a little faster, top speed for both about the same.

The Corvette ZR1 is not a souped up Corvette, its not even after market, it is a production Corvette... so to compare it to the Testerosa, would be compleetly fair. Corvette has usually offered several options too there customers, there was the standard, after 1990 the ZR1 was a standard car but had different engine options, you had the LT-1 350 which created 300HP, then you had the LT-4 which where equipped in a few Corvettes, and the 1996 Corvette grandsport which sported a special paint scheme of blue with a white stripe, the LT-4 created about 320 or so horsepower, then you had the LT-5 which earlier versions created 375HP, and later versions 405HP.
they even have a after market corvette even faster, the Corvette Sledgehammer, it was built between 1987 and 1988, and has a twin turbocharged 850+HP V8, and had a top speed of 254MPH, but this car would have cost some $400,000US

 

[Elm City Hobbies]

FERRARI

Isn't as hand built as they once were. Not automated to the extreme like GM, Ford, etc, but not totally hand built like they were at one time. That being said....much of the assembly is still handbuilt to a certain extent.

As far as comparing cars....really can't compare a suped up ZR1 to a base Testarossa, kind of like comparing apples to oranges.

A stock Testarossa vs a stock vette of the same year......all the vette is going to see are the tail lights of the Testarossa ahead, getting smaller and smaller.

Take a full on suped up Koenzig Testarossa against a ZR1....the Ferrari is still going to leave the vette chewing its wake. I will admit that the ZR1 was a bad ass car, but has never been a match for anything GM has thrown at them, not even in the same league.

Performance of a ZR1 was in fact only slightly better than a stock Testarossa, 0-60 times were 4.4 for the vette, 5.3 for the Ferrari, so a little faster, top speed for both about the same.

The Corvette ZR1 is not a souped up Corvette, its not even after market, it is a production Corvette... so to compare it to the Testerosa, would be compleetly fair. Corvette has usually offered several options too there customers, there was the standard, after 1990 the ZR1 was a standard car but had different engine options, you had the LT-1 350 which created 300HP, then you had the LT-4 which where equipped in a few Corvettes, and the 1996 Corvette grandsport which sported a special paint scheme of blue with a white stripe, the LT-4 created about 320 or so horsepower, then you had the LT-5 which earlier versions created 375HP, and later versions 405HP.
they even have a after market corvette even faster, the Corvette Sledgehammer, it was built between 1987 and 1988, and has a twin turbocharged 850+HP V8, and had a top speed of 254MPH, but this car would have cost some $400,000US

My point being, that the Corvette ZR1, wasn't your run of the mill "normal" Vette....sure it was built in the GM factory, but was essentially a factory "suped up" vette. No different than a Mustang Cobra, still built by Ford, but far from a regular GT Mustang. So you can't really compare a ZR1 which was a Factory built suped up vette to a normal Testerossa. Would be like comparing my well used Honda CRV to a Porsche Cayanne....not really much of a comparison.

Besides? Wasn't the ZR1 supercharged? Not even a fair comparison with that. So even with all that increase in power to the ZR1, it was still only marginally faster than the Testerrosa 0-60.

 

[Carsenault]

FERRARI

Isn't as hand built as they once were. Not automated to the extreme like GM, Ford, etc, but not totally hand built like they were at one time. That being said....much of the assembly is still handbuilt to a certain extent.

As far as comparing cars....really can't compare a suped up ZR1 to a base Testarossa, kind of like comparing apples to oranges.

A stock Testarossa vs a stock vette of the same year......all the vette is going to see are the tail lights of the Testarossa ahead, getting smaller and smaller.

Take a full on suped up Koenzig Testarossa against a ZR1....the Ferrari is still going to leave the vette chewing its wake. I will admit that the ZR1 was a bad ass car, but has never been a match for anything GM has thrown at them, not even in the same league.

Performance of a ZR1 was in fact only slightly better than a stock Testarossa, 0-60 times were 4.4 for the vette, 5.3 for the Ferrari, so a little faster, top speed for both about the same.

The Corvette ZR1 is not a souped up Corvette, its not even after market, it is a production Corvette... so to compare it to the Testerosa, would be compleetly fair. Corvette has usually offered several options too there customers, there was the standard, after 1990 the ZR1 was a standard car but had different engine options, you had the LT-1 350 which created 300HP, then you had the LT-4 which where equipped in a few Corvettes, and the 1996 Corvette grandsport which sported a special paint scheme of blue with a white stripe, the LT-4 created about 320 or so horsepower, then you had the LT-5 which earlier versions created 375HP, and later versions 405HP.
they even have a after market corvette even faster, the Corvette Sledgehammer, it was built between 1987 and 1988, and has a twin turbocharged 850+HP V8, and had a top speed of 254MPH, but this car would have cost some $400,000US

My point being, that the Corvette ZR1, wasn't your run of the mill "normal" Vette....sure it was built in the GM factory, but was essentially a factory "suped up" vette. No different than a Mustang Cobra, still built by Ford, but far from a regular GT Mustang. So you can't really compare a ZR1 which was a Factory built suped up vette to a normal Testerossa. Would be like comparing my well used Honda CRV to a Porsche Cayanne....not really much of a comparison.

Besides? Wasn't the ZR1 supercharged? Not even a fair comparison with that. So even with all that increase in power to the ZR1, it was still only marginally faster than the Testerrosa 0-60.

I believe the current ZR1s are supercharged, but the originals were not, they were 5.7 L V8s, but not the regular smallblock. They were all aluminium castings, dual overhead cams, high reving monsters built by Mercury Marine. I believe the 512 TR was more from around the same timeframe as the Zr1s, , Not sure about the specs on it, but I do know they looked far better than the Testarossa. Still, I always preferred the real Ferraris with the V-12s mounted in front. After all, it was Enzo himself that said, "Its the horse that pills the cart."

 

[13aceofspades13]

FERRARI

Isn't as hand built as they once were. Not automated to the extreme like GM, Ford, etc, but not totally hand built like they were at one time. That being said....much of the assembly is still handbuilt to a certain extent.

As far as comparing cars....really can't compare a suped up ZR1 to a base Testarossa, kind of like comparing apples to oranges.

A stock Testarossa vs a stock vette of the same year......all the vette is going to see are the tail lights of the Testarossa ahead, getting smaller and smaller.

Take a full on suped up Koenzig Testarossa against a ZR1....the Ferrari is still going to leave the vette chewing its wake. I will admit that the ZR1 was a bad ass car, but has never been a match for anything GM has thrown at them, not even in the same league.

Performance of a ZR1 was in fact only slightly better than a stock Testarossa, 0-60 times were 4.4 for the vette, 5.3 for the Ferrari, so a little faster, top speed for both about the same.

The Corvette ZR1 is not a souped up Corvette, its not even after market, it is a production Corvette... so to compare it to the Testerosa, would be compleetly fair. Corvette has usually offered several options too there customers, there was the standard, after 1990 the ZR1 was a standard car but had different engine options, you had the LT-1 350 which created 300HP, then you had the LT-4 which where equipped in a few Corvettes, and the 1996 Corvette grandsport which sported a special paint scheme of blue with a white stripe, the LT-4 created about 320 or so horsepower, then you had the LT-5 which earlier versions created 375HP, and later versions 405HP.
they even have a after market corvette even faster, the Corvette Sledgehammer, it was built between 1987 and 1988, and has a twin turbocharged 850+HP V8, and had a top speed of 254MPH, but this car would have cost some $400,000US

My point being, that the Corvette ZR1, wasn't your run of the mill "normal" Vette....sure it was built in the GM factory, but was essentially a factory "suped up" vette. No different than a Mustang Cobra, still built by Ford, but far from a regular GT Mustang. So you can't really compare a ZR1 which was a Factory built suped up vette to a normal Testerossa. Would be like comparing my well used Honda CRV to a Porsche Cayanne....not really much of a comparison.

Besides? Wasn't the ZR1 supercharged? Not even a fair comparison with that. So even with all that increase in power to the ZR1, it was still only marginally faster than the Testerrosa 0-60.

the 1990-1995 Corvette ZR-1s LT-5 was naturally aspirated, un like todays 2009 Corvette ZR-1, to me its a factory car, no its not necessarily your standard Corvette, but it is a factory stock corvette none the less, and if it where supercharged, i think it would still be fair to compare it, it comes from the General motor factory, regardless of its tuning, it is stock, it is factory, it isn't even after market or experimental like the Corvette Sledgehammer. i personally think if the Farrari testerosa was also turbocharged everyone would still think it would be fair to compare it to the corvette ZR-1 like i said, Corvette has always offered different options to there customers on what performance to have, a corvette for a more affordable price, or a corvette that will tear up the road. also to say its in the same leage as a shelby cobra Mustang GT is not nessisarily true, beacuse that is a after market car, while the 1990-1995 Corvette ZR-1 comes from the factory, as is...

and to add, there are still more classic stock Corvettes that are even faster than the 1990 ZR-1, the 1969 Corvette ZL-1 with the ZL-1 Aluminum L-88 had 580hp at 6,600RPM and it was over 100 pounds lighter than its cast iron sister, the car came with semi racing tires, a low ration differential, and semi racing suspension, could do a quarter mile in the 11 second range. then you have the 1970 Corvette ZL-1 with the 600 HP LS-6 454, and im sure even the 1967 Corvette stingray, with the L-88 could give the testerosa a run for its money, the L-88 could crank out 560HP at 6,500RPM.

once again, i have nothing major agents farrari, i think they make nice cars, but i don't think there is "no substitute" for a farrari, there are plenty of cars that are just as good to me, Camaro, Chevell, Ect and thats my whole point i was trying to make, to me there is no such thing is "no substitue" for a farrari. i would also like to state that i am not angry or mad, this is a cool debate, and i have enjoyed debating 8)

 

[13aceofspades13]

We never did get a clear decision on where posts like this should go...

It isn't a model thread, so shouldn't really be in a modeling section...

Nobody's building anything, so it shouldn't really be in the ' WHATCHA BUILDIN'?' section...

I'll see what Scott says.

Jingles.

i was thinking the same thing, you can move it to the chit chat forum, it wont bother me.

 

[KeiserSoze]

Personally can't stand vettes. Has nothing to do with performance. I worked front services at a Casino hotel for a few years while in school (Bellman and Valet). I refused to park vettes simply because they are soooooo uncomfortable. Seats are made for skinny kids.

Mustang fo life!!!! ;D

 

[Quaralane]

And I should have moved it at the start. --facepalms--
Always liked the lines of the Testarossa.
And, unlike the Corvette, when Ferrari decides to build a vehicle with totally new lines, they call it what it is....a new car.

 

[13aceofspades13]

Personally can't stand vettes. Has nothing to do with performance. I worked front services at a Casino hotel for a few years while in school (Bellman and Valet). I refused to park vettes simply because they are soooooo uncomfortable. Seats are made for skinny kids.

Mustang fo life!!!! ;D

i have rode in a 1966 Corvette stingray, a 1994 Corvette ZR1, and a 2003 Corvette Z06, had no issue with the seats, and im a big guy not ringing my own bell... but it all depends on the corvette you are riding, some of the early to mid 90s corvettes where not that comfortable, i find the newer ones quite cozy... seat comfort is a sacrifice they make for performance.

but if you prefer comfort thats your preference and i respect that fully.

 

[13aceofspades13]

And I should have moved it at the start. --facepalms--
Always liked the lines of the Testarossa.
And, unlike the Corvette, when Ferrari decides to build a vehicle with totally new lines, they call it what it is....a new car.

Farrari can afford to make different stiles beacuse thats really all Farrari makes is performance Vehicles. Corvette is a Chevy, and Chevy also makes the Camaro... trucks, passenger cars, ect...

and Corvette makes new Corvettes all the time, i cant even list all the different types of corvettes, not every Corvette is the same buy any means, a Corvette ZR-1 has a completely different chassis, than the Z-51, and the Zo6. the body stiles may have some similar lines, but there are major differences.

 

[Grendels]

I would love to own a Ferrari, but I don't have the time nor the patience to maintain one. I live in a small town, and getting parts would not be that easy of a task.

Now a Corvette, I could get. In fact last year I could have purchased one, but did not. I bought a BMW instead. (They basically offered me $15,000 off the price on a new BMW, I couldn't resist that.) This is not the only reason I didn't buy the Vette. One is that resale value with Vette's is not that great. After four or five years, when GM has a new model out, the value just drops. My last BMW held it's value really well. Second, GM is not known for quality. Well, not recently anyhow. My last GM just fell apart on me while under warranty. It was in the shop at least once a month, getting something done. That just drove me nuts! Both BMW's have not done that to me.

My car is not as fast as a Vette, but it will be there in 5 years, looking much as it does now. The fun part is that it may handle as well as a Vette. Here is what I did buy:

 

[Elm City Hobbies]

And I should have moved it at the start. --facepalms--
Always liked the lines of the Testarossa.
And, unlike the Corvette, when Ferrari decides to build a vehicle with totally new lines, they call it what it is....a new car.

Farrari can afford to make different stiles beacuse thats really all Farrari makes is performance Vehicles. Corvette is a Chevy, and Chevy also makes the Camaro... trucks, passenger cars, ect...

and Corvette makes new Corvettes all the time, i cant even list all the different types of corvettes, not every Corvette is the same buy any means, a Corvette ZR-1 has a completely different chassis, than the Z-51, and the Zo6. the body stiles may have some similar lines, but there are major differences.

Ferrari is just one arm of the world's largest car company. Ferrari passenger cars started as a way to fund their F1 Racing team (and to a certain extent that still holds true today) Enzo Ferrari (the founder) could car less if he made any money selling the road going cars, as long as he had enough money to keep the F1 team competitive.

Oh...and that world's largest car company? Fiat.......whom has Ferrari, Alfa Romeo (among other companies under their banner) and now has part of Chrysler to go along with it. So while Ferrari do only make performance cars (it wasn't always like that however), Fiat who owns Ferrari make many, many different kinds of vehicles. So that pretty much makes Ferrari is to Fiat, as Corvette is to GM.

While there may be slight differences from Vette to Vette of the same year, Ferrari usually has 3-4 different models going all at once, I believe the currently line up is the California, 458, 599, and with the new Ferrari FF coming online soon as well. Just realized that the 612 is no longer being made.....short run on that.

The new 458 is a very nice car, and replaces the 430. The 599 GTO is a beast.

The beauty about Ferrari....if you don't like the interior and exterior color combinations that they offer on their website, they will make it to order, whatever color you want. So if you have a hankering for a Barney Purple exterior with a bright yellow interior with purple stitching....well it's your money, they will make it anyway you want.

Personally, I will take a Ferrari 599GTO, in Verde, with the white striped Racing Livery package, silver brake pads and blacked out wheels.

 

[Grendels]

I had an Alfa Romeo for a while in College, scary fast little car. It wasn't a convertible, a Sprint Veloce. And yes, Fiat is one of the largest car companies in the world.

 

[13aceofspades13]

I would love to own a Ferrari, but I don't have the time nor the patience to maintain one. I live in a small town, and getting parts would not be that easy of a task.

Now a Corvette, I could get. In fact last year I could have purchased one, but did not. I bought a BMW instead. (They basically offered me $15,000 off the price on a new BMW, I couldn't resist that.) This is not the only reason I didn't buy the Vette. One is that resale value with Vette's is not that great. After four or five years, when GM has a new model out, the value just drops. My last BMW held it's value really well. Second, GM is not known for quality. Well, not recently anyhow. My last GM just fell apart on me while under warranty. It was in the shop at least once a month, getting something done. That just drove me nuts! Both BMW's have not done that to me.

My car is not as fast as a Vette, but it will be there in 5 years, looking much as it does now. The fun part is that it may handle as well as a Vette. Here is what I did buy:

thats another point, a Corvette is much cheaper than a Farrari, and making repairs on it alone is much cheaper, in addition to easier. but it performs equal to better.