AK 3rd gen

[Rockin' Rob]

Hey everyone. I usually spray with Tamia paints. However it's getting harder and harder to find the colors that you need regularly. So I was in there this morning and he has the whole line of AK third gen acrylics. It doesn't seem to be selling but I hear it's on the same level as Tamia paints? Meaning it acts kind of like Tamia paints and I can possibly use the same thinners. Hopefully Mr color leveling 400. We will see. I asked the guy there and he goes well I don't think people really know about it. So I decided to try some because he had everything you could possibly need to spray that paint with whatever color you could possibly need the whole line was sitting there untouched 10 bottles deep. So I needed primer and I needed White so I decided to try this stuff. Has anyone tried this? The only thing I probably should have bought to try this out was their thinner but that's just an excuse for me to go back to Andy's someday.
I got two of their paint just black and white to try it. And they had this gloss medium. I guess you mix it in with the paint? Makes it a gloss? Hopefully this stuff is good because they just can't keep Tammy a paint stocked up I guess. So if anyone has tried this stuff, let us know.

 

[urumomo]

That 3rd gen isn't a solvent acrylic like Tamiya .
it'll turn to snot with alcohols or ketones in a thinner

 

[urumomo]

The AK Real Colors are like the Tamiya paints

 

[Rockin' Rob]

I believe you are right because there is no flammable symbol on the bottles. However. Don't mind the fingerprint I was testing to see how long it took to dry but I sprayed the gray primer on this test subject and I used Mr color leveling thinner 400 half and half. Sprayed beautifully and cleaned up out of my airbrush lickity split. So far the stuff looks promising and once this dries if I can spray X and XF paints on it without it bubbling up or something I call that a win.

 

[Rockin' Rob]

Forgot the picture

 

[urumomo]

really ?
lol . That mr color is full of both .
I have 2 old 3rd Gen bottles in the original label and both acetone and alcohol with set off polymerization with them .
weird
The AK High Compatibility Thinner turns it to snot ... they apparently switched resins for that line

 

[Rockin' Rob]

I swear I tried it. That gray primer with Mr color and it didn't coagulate or nothing. Weird. That shouldn't have worked.

 

[urumomo]

they had to of changed the resin

 

[Jakko]

The AK Real Colors are like the Tamiya paints

AK Real Colors are lacquer-based acrylics, like Tamiya LP and Mr. Hobby.

AK 3Gen is water-based acrylic, like Vallejo for example. It's too thick to spray straight from the bottle, but you can thin it with water. Like most water-based acrylics, though, I wouldn't spray it over bare plastic because of the chance of it beading up rather than forming a nice layer. Spray it over other paint, though, including primer, and it works well enough.

 

[urumomo]

thanks for repeating that for me

 

[Rockin' Rob]

What?

 

[Jakko]

thanks for repeating that for me

I don't think I repeated anything you said, but elaborated on your:—

The AK Real Colors are like the Tamiya paints

… by stating that they're like Tamiya's LP range rather than their X/XF range, because the latter are what most people think of as "Tamiya paint".

 

[49thStateRT]

I don't think I repeated anything you said, but elaborated on your:—

… by stating that they're like Tamiya's LP range rather than their X/XF range, because the latter are what most people think of as "Tamiya paint".

Thanks, I did think he meant the X/XF alcohol based acrylics, so I was confused.

 

[urumomo]

I did mean that .
we were talking about solvent based acrylics -- that was the concern : if those alcohol thinners were compatible .
somehow they are on his end .
the 2 bottles of that 3rd gen I have are definitely not compatible with any alcohol or ketones

 

[49thStateRT]

I did mean that .
we were talking about solvent based acrylics -- that was the concern : if those alcohol thinners were compatible .
somehow they are on his end .
the 2 bottles of that 3rd gen I have are definitely not compatible with any alcohol or ketones

You wrote "The AK Real Colors are like the Tamiya paints". And then he said you must have meant the LP line of Tamiya, and you said
"I did mean that .
we were talking about solvent based acrylics". So it sounds like you were saying the AK Real Colors (advertised and labeled as lacquers) are actually solvent based acrylics and not really lacquers? I know there is a constant debate &/or education on what is and is not a true lacquer among all the model paint types and brands, so I am actually curious since you honestly do seem to know your chemicals pretty well.

 

[urumomo]

AK Real is a solvent acrylic resin .
regardless , the question at hand was the solvent compatibility with the 3rd gen ,, which , supposedly isn't compatible and the 2 bottles I have of it definitely aren't , but they evidently modified / switched the resin in that since , apparently , that leveling thinner worked fine with it , and the SDS indicates it's a hearty stew of alcohols

 

[Edbert]

It is my opinion that those dweebs who got beat up daily in school have purposefully made this hard. Maybe, disclaimers apply.

But why does it have to be hard? (seriously)

Two or three paints is all we need, an acrylic series soluable in water or alchohol, lacquers that requires (wait for it...) lacquer thinnner, and enamels that need turpentine or mineral spirits.

 

[Rockin' Rob]

It is my opinion that those dweebs who got beat up daily in school have purposefully made this hard. Maybe, disclaimers apply.

But why does it have to be hard? (seriously)

Two or three paints is all we need, an acrylic series soluable in water or alchohol, lacquers that requires (wait for it...) lacquer thinnner, and enamels that need turpentine or mineral spirits.

I hear you. Damn dweebs. I was perfectly happy with my little testers glass bottles

 

[Jakko]

But why does it have to be hard? (seriously)

Because there are whole laboratories full of people who look at ways to improve existing paints and to develop new types that may be more suitable for certain applications than for others. Not in the modelling world per se, but research into this for more general applications will trickle down to modelling, and result in new types of paint that smaller manufacturers think may be useful for spraying or smearing onto a scale model.

Which leads to: Because different modellers prefer different paints. (OK, sure, if you don't know a certain type of paint exists, you're clearly not going to prefer — or dislike — it.)