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Offline Jack-Swiss

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Painting section...HOW TO?!?!
« on: Tue May, 05, 2009, 05:55:AM »
Ok mates...

this is the section where you ask/share/tell/know everything about paints and related stuff...



Basically there are

ACRYLIC, ENAMEL and LAQUER



but then it comes to

HUMBROL, MODEL MASTER, LIFECOLOR, TAMIYA (enamel or acryl), GUNZE'S laquer or acryl, WHITE ENSIGN, ALCLAD, ZERO PAINTS, VALLEJO, CITADEL, REVELL....etc....etc



and when clear coating you should consider

ACRYLIC, ENAMEL, LAQUER and....oh yeah, also URETHANE (whaaat?!?)


which I can

BRUSH PAINT OR AIRBRUSH PAINT (with like a 30/40 possible/available airbrush around the market)



using a mask and a great paintbooth.....and this and that and this and that
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WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!?!? :o







got confused?!?
here's what this place is made for!
post whatever concernes you about paint and painting process stuff!
we are here to help each other and share techniques and knowledge and this is valid for pro's and also for rookies (and intermediate guys as well)!
if not, what would be the modelling for?!?


PS: I've made a bit of experience around, catching infos and people talkin about this and that, trying this and that. I personally tried lots of paints so I can pretty much say that if you need I'm here and I can share all I know!!!


Cheers mates
« Last Edit: Tue May, 05, 2009, 06:51:AM by Jack-Swiss »

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Re: Painting section...HOW TO?!?!
« Reply #1 on: Thu May, 07, 2009, 06:37:AM »
Is it the enamals that you really have to be careful when spraying because it can really hurt your lungs?  You should always have a well vented area, but I heard with one of them you really should wear a mask and also.

It's a trap!

Offline Jack-Swiss

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Re: Painting section...HOW TO?!?!
« Reply #2 on: Thu May, 07, 2009, 07:06:AM »
Dude, wear a mask also with the acrylics that are not water based...laquer and enamel are very harmful!
My advice is to wear a mask everytime!!!the better the filter the better your health!
I mentioned also acrylics because the most of them are solvent-based...that means that yeah, they are acrylics but in the mix there are solvents for the pigments cause otherwise there wouldn't be the mix!!!
Only Vallejo if I remeber well are purely water based...

My advice is to use enamel or laquer 'cause you have to use the mask anyway,thus the choice of these colours because of their quality!!!

Cheers and hope it helped!

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Re: Painting section...HOW TO?!?!
« Reply #3 on: Wed Aug, 18, 2010, 08:47:AM »
Dose anyone use windex to clean their brushes? does that work?  ???

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Re: Painting section...HOW TO?!?!
« Reply #4 on: Wed Aug, 18, 2010, 09:10:AM »
For acrylics I bought a big bottle of cleaner from my art store. It wasn't that expensive and it's made for airbrushes, Badger Air-Opaque 16 oz. I use Model Master paint with Testors Universal Thinner no 50496 4 oz. I also use a small bit of retarder from Createx. I figure if you invested in a $30 plus model, nice airbrush $80 - $?? and hours to build it then spend a couple of bucks on the right cleaner and thinner.  ;)

Here is a good article,
http://www.girr.org/girr/tips/tips3/airbrush_tips.html
« Last Edit: Wed Aug, 18, 2010, 09:13:AM by Dano1945 »

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Re: Painting section...HOW TO?!?!
« Reply #5 on: Wed Aug, 18, 2010, 10:44:AM »
Dose anyone use windex to clean their brushes? does that work?  ???

I've used Windex for quick cleans of the ab between colors when using acrylics, or after spraying Future, but I never do a final cleaning with it. I did once and what was left in the ab dried up and gummed things up. I had to do a full tear down and clean it out thouroughly. Now I do my final cleaning with rubbing alcohol if I ws painting with acrylics, or lacquer thinner if I was using enamels or lacquers.

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Re: Painting section...HOW TO?!?!
« Reply #6 on: Wed Aug, 18, 2010, 12:26:PM »
Straight lacquer thinner will clean just about any kind of paint out of an airbrush.

If I am using Vallejo (or any acrylic for that matter) I clean with Vallejo's Acrylic Cleaner...does a bang up job.

Enamel or Lacquer, I use good ole lacquer thinner from CT.

Lacquer will clean out Acrylic as well, as I have run lacquer through an airbrush that I thought was clean using the acrylic cleaner and have gotten more out of it when when the lacquer was run through it.....I think just a case of I need to be cleaning my ABs better in the first place.

I will break down my AB and run it through a sonic cleaner with a bit of the acrylic cleaner in it....does a great job!

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Re: Painting section...HOW TO?!?!
« Reply #7 on: Wed Aug, 18, 2010, 01:25:PM »
Sonic cleaner, cool I hadn't thought about that. Off to Harbor Freight. Nice tip on the laquer thinner for when you run out of whatever acrylic cleaner you use at some odd hour when everything is closed.

Offline WhiteLeopard

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Re: Painting section...HOW TO?!?!
« Reply #8 on: Thu Aug, 19, 2010, 08:52:AM »
Thanks Dano for that article it was very informative. I bought some auto thinners very strong stuff, It even brought back some paintbrushs from the dead. Would using the lacquer thinner be harmful to O-rings?   

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Re: Painting section...HOW TO?!?!
« Reply #9 on: Thu Aug, 19, 2010, 01:08:PM »
It could eat your O rings, depends on how hot it is....I usually flush my AB with either water, or Acrylic cleaner (which is safe on O rings) after I used the Lacquer thinner to clean...just to make sure

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Re: Painting section...HOW TO?!?!
« Reply #10 on: Sat Oct, 16, 2010, 07:01:PM »
Quick question on this type of paint job, don't want to create a topic just for that, so sorry if i'm in the wrong place.
http://www.hobby-show.info/tokyo2010/0088.html

(For practical reasons, i work with tamiya acrylics at the moment)
Could i reproduce this kind of effect by having a flat aluminum (or any metal color) and then a clear blue over it?

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Re: Painting section...HOW TO?!?!
« Reply #11 on: Sun Oct, 17, 2010, 01:39:AM »
You could, but is twice the work. That is probably just the Tamiya Metallic Blue in the rattle can. Mind you it is a lacquer instead of an acrylic.

Vallejo makes a metallic medium in their line, which can be mixed with any of their paints to make a metallic out of it.

Metallic Russian Green T34 anyone?

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Re: Painting section...HOW TO?!?!
« Reply #12 on: Sun Oct, 17, 2010, 11:19:AM »
huh... lacquer... i have to know what this means, now;)

Thanks for the answer.

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Re: Painting section...HOW TO?!?!
« Reply #13 on: Sun Oct, 17, 2010, 11:29:AM »
Just that the Tamiya spray cans are a lacquer based paint instead of an acrylic.

Smells bad, but is a great looking and harder finish. But would mean you would only have to paint it once.

However.....going the acrylic route, laying down a silver or aluminum basecoat, and then spraying the transparent blue over top, you can control how blue it looks, as it will darken down with multiple layers. The downside....is a little trickier to make it look even.

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Re: Painting section...HOW TO?!?!
« Reply #14 on: Mon Oct, 18, 2010, 06:01:AM »
Got it.